How One Strange Bible Verse Supports The Papacy

Thank you Lord, for your Church, the Catholic Church!

Have been thinking that Peter was completley different from any other "Pope" thats ever been after ( If you think he was the first) - probably on every level ! For me I think that that's not a sign that such a thing was meant to be.

Matthew 17, ergo blessings for gay couples. Checkmate Prots!

The other disciples were not included because this is a discussion between Jesus and Peter. It says that the collectors came to Peter and asked if his teacher paid the tax. Jesus tells Peter to go and fish out this aquatic coin-purse and Jesus says that it’s to pay for them both. The next verse says the disciples came to Jesus at that time, apparently deep in talks about who is the greatest in Heaven. It does not say the other disciples were with them, at least at that moment.

Matthew 17:24 talks about THEY. Namely, Jesus and his many apostles.
Verse 27:Take that and give it to them for me and you.”

The YOU is a plural. Meaning for all those present.

The very fact that Popes, Archbishops, Cardinals, Priests and other titular garbed individuals exist, proves that these religions have nothing to do with Jesus or Christianity.
Jesus forbade the appointment of such among his disciples.

(Matthew 23:8-10) But you, do not you be called Rabbi, for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. 9 Moreover, do not call anyone your father on earth, for one is your Father, the heavenly One. 10 Neither be called leaders, for your Leader is one, the Christ.

The Pope of Antioch?

With all due respect, Peter being the most significant out of the apostles is a long stretch from him having an infallible office which is then passed down (with equal infallibility) to each one ordained in his place.

That's not the right way to interpret this passage. You need mental gymnastics to make this passage fit a narrative that is not substantiated by the Bible.

Seems like a stretch.

So when does Jesus say Peter is a pope. Or is pope just a man made thing to gain power and control

For by God's power I was made an apostle to the Gentiles, just as Peter was made an apostle to the Jews.
- Galatians 2:8

And I have been chosen as a preacher and apostle to teach the Gentiles this message about faith and truth. I’m not exaggerating—just telling the truth.
- 1 Timothy 2:7

I'm an Alaskan native from a family of commercial fishermen, and spent 4 months a year for 4 years at it. We did purse seine, until some Corp crashed a super tanker there. Map reference: Prince William Sound. My hometown Cordova is on 🎉and east side and Valdez is on the north side.
We caught a school once. We're in a 46' boat and the net's 3/4 aboard, and several hundred feet are still out. There were so many fish that they were swimming over the cork line in places. Across the whole area inside the net, about 250' by 75', the whole area is the backs of salmon. Yes there was space between the fish.
There were 10s of thousands of salmon. We had the ring line aboard (the bottom of the net) and the boat kept leaning portside. There was no way to get the nets aboard, and we couldn't hold that many. In fact, there's so many fish other boats set their seine beside us for the ones we missed/jumped out. Is that picture in your mind? Perfect.
Now imagine you're in a 22' rowboat with a sail and you're 100' from shore. You have a couple hundred feet of net, but you've got 100' aboard. All of a sudden, there's 25,000 fish in your net. People in neighboring boats come to tow you close to shore and people are coming off the beach to get you And the fish.
That was FOOD for a starving people. Yes money, but food. Everyone won that day. The Israelis did share like that. Imagine Seeing it happen. A massive school of fish out of Nowhere. Like my fishing boat, they were nearly pulled down.
And look-- Because they worked for it, they were rewarded. By a visible act of direct Divine Intervention. Work, food, and some money for everybody there in that hour. I know how much space 300 salmon averaging 5lbs each, compared to a 22' skiff with an outboard motor. Thousands of fish for an occupied and starving people. There were probably 50 people that directly laid hands to help. There would've been a couple hundred people out on the shore. The Apostles spread the wealth. If each person got 10 fish, the Apostles were left with well over a thousand fish.

Stop misrepresenting Scripture! Re-read John; the net was dragged to shore by the boat; Peter didn't "singlehandedly" drag the net in or even go back out to help! That is NOT exegesis! The way you interpolate & twist the text to support your dogma is truly amazing & offensive to us who take Bible seriously. 🤨

Btw: why not John as 1st Pope? He was the youngest, stayed by Jesus through his trial, was at the crucifixion (didn't run off or hide), took Mary in wrote Revelation & outlived all the other Apostles. Peter was taken to Rome as a prisoner, like Paul, he didn't found that Church. He was a "fellow elder" by his own words. 🙄

This tax or no tax is probably related to age, where 20 and older were required to pay the tax. Exodus 30.

Peter put on a pretense and Paul had to call him out.
Peter had no leadership role as there are no leaders among True Christians. Matthew 23:8-10. Neither Priests of any kind.

Pardon! Mais, il me semble qu’on s’écarte du texte biblique! Il est question de l’impôt du Temple : « ton maître paie-t-il les didrachmes?- si! » on est à Capharnaüm, non à Rome. Bon à savoir, le Fils , fils de Dieu, comme un fils de roi, ne paie pas d’impôts, à plus forte raison celui de Temple, puisque le Temple Lui appartient ! Mais Il paie l’impôt pour Lui et Pierre, les 4 drachmes de la bouche du poisson! Pour ne pas scandaliser. Note de la Bible orthodoxe pour l’étude. Mais, je retiens l’amitié du Christ pour son disciple Pierre.

It seems to me the common interpretation is that Peter was the only one old enough to be charged temple tax.

Peter was married. So, why can't Pope's marry if your "first pope" had a wife?

Matthew 8:14, "And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever."

The apostle Paul (who increased in notoriety in the latter part of Acts as Peter diminished, and wrote more scripture than any other apostle) defines forbidding to marry as a doctrine of devils,

1 Timothy 4:1-5, "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; FORBIDDING TO MARRY, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer."

I do not get it, just because the collector came to Peter asked about Jesus was paying the tax or not,
how this verse agreed with papacy?

while Jesus said,
Matthew 23:9
Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.

Where does Peter teach Catholicism in the Bible?

Its not that object to the papacy, nor do I deny that the catholic pope sits on the "seat of Cephas" just as the Pharisees did really sit on the "seat of Moses" and Jesus gave them real legitimate authority!!

But what I must OBJECT to is treating the words and traditions of the pope or council of bishops as EQUAL to the Word of God!

Just as in the example given to us, the traditions of the Pharisees were NOT equal to the Word of God! Despite sitting on the Seat of Moses!

Likewise, the traditions of the pope and the bishops do NOT equal the Word of God!


Now what about Peter? Cephas?

I do NOT deny that Peter was the rock of the church (although this commission had much more to do with Peter's revelation of Jesus' true identity as the Christ but I digress).

YES, even Peter the rock of the church denied Christ three times!

YES, even after receiving the Holy Spirit and YES even on matters of doctrines of the faith, Peter the rock fell into ERRORS and needed to be publically corrected by Paul!

God gave us these teachings for a reason.

YES even Paul's teachings were checked against Holy Scripture!

YES we are commanded to TEST every one and every teaching against the Word of God! Even ANGELS!!


So YES the pope sits on the seat of Cephas and the church has real authority.

But NO the pope is NOT INFALLIBLE! Only God is perfect and infallible! Only the Word of God is perfect and infallible!

Whoever claims to have speech equal to the Word of God in its perfect infallibility is a BLASPHEMER

Not even sure I want to watch this.

We (Christians) are all priests and we have a high priest after the order of Melchizedek (Christ). There is no need for a vicar of Christ.

As long as that institutionalized system exists, as well as the traditions surrounding it, I don't see how this impasse changes - at least for me.

All the false religion and sect use the same way : take a verse out of context and make a doctrine.

So much verses Can contredict this ! You need herméneutic

This kind of hyper-symbolism is what I've always hated about popular Christianity (both protestant and catholic), because it makes it way too easy to take a small thing and say it supports [unrelated preconceived idea] and pretend you've proven your point. When all you've really done is throw together a word salad to entrench your confirmation bias.

I find it sad that the theological community has even developed terms for this (exegesis vs eisegesis) yet 90% of theological leaders I see lean far to heavily on eisegesis.

Good stuff! Always learning something new even when I’m not trying. Thank you for pointing it out, thanks be to God!

Why the demonic looking bust behind you ? Your message is great but l find the bust very disturbing!

Peter told his followers "Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ." The catholic cburch never listened to Peter. He was never a pope.

Curiously, the image of the fish represented the primitive Christians!

It's just angry protestants that hate Catholics

more vague references by the roman catholic church to peter being the first "pope". just like the rock that the church will be built on, actually in greek means part of the bedrock of the church. FACTS: 1. peter, himself said he was just another elder in the church. 2 peter was not the head of the church in jerusalem, james was. 3. there is no evidence peter was ever in rome. 4. there is no connection between peter, and the 1st roman catholic "pope", gregory 1 in the 6th century. the roman catholic church tried to splice the connection by the bishops of rome, but this does not hold up, because the bishops of rome had no real authority over any other bishops, and there is no clear evidence peter was ever in rome.

THE QUR'AN IS A CHRISTIAN TEXT AND JESUS IS MUHAMMAD AS MUHAMMAD IN THE QUR'AN BEING A EUPHEMISM FOR MESSIAH(CHRIST)HaMASHIAK.

The Qur'an properly read appears to be a Christian text calling for the return to the authority of the first apostolic Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-32 in rejection of the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople.

So the only way to pull the rug from under the obscurantists'feet even defeat Jihadism is to reject the categorization Christianity versus Islam and affirm instead Nazareans versus Islam. Nazarean being anybody following the teachings of Paul which of course permeate the Council of Nicaea and Constantinople.
Islam is a reaction to the West attempt to hijack Christianity or the Gospel and use it to overrun the globe.

And the Prince rejected by the Arabian builders became the cornerstone and this is the Lord doing !

More in:
The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15:1-30 and the partition of Christianity in two Apostolic Traditions: Circumcised(Muslims) vs. Uncircumcised(Paul's Nazareans or Catholics...

One detail that seems to be ignored here in Matthew 17:24 is that the tax collectors speak to Peter. Just Peter, not Peter and the other disciples. The tax collectors ask Peter if his master, not his master and the other disciples, pay the tax. It appears that it’s only Peter and Jesus who are being asked this question because the text does not mention anything about anyone else being present. It’s an extrapolation that there is some other message being presented here. In other words, this papal connection is a fabrication from information that is not in the text. God bless.

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These guys must have aced their creative writing class with this style of eisegesis but fail at exegesis. It is crafty to insert so much into a written account that is just not there and then try to convince someone that there is an unbroken line of succession that somehow props up the claims but don’t look at the clear revelation in scripture to find understanding.

‭‭Galatians‬ ‭1:6‭-‬12‬ ‭CSB‬‬
[6] I am amazed that you are so quickly turning away from him who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel —  [7] not that there is another gospel, but there are some who are troubling you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. [8] But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, a curse be on him!

I never thought of that passage this way. I am Catholic and believe that Jesus gave authority to St. Peter, but this point of view is an eye opener for me. Great explanation!

What confuses me is that wasn’t Peter spanked by Paul a bunch of times ?

I’m just confused why apostle succession gives any of them the final authority. It looked like they voted or discussed stuff together

Loads of self made words and rules in the catholic and orthodox organizations instead of understanding and doing exactly what the Bible says. The true believers in Christ are called The Body Of Christ which IS the only description in the Bible, with Lord Jesus as Head - not 'church', as church is originally a replacement word for an assembly of believers. But the word church had become a word for "original true (catholic) believers" and for an institute or organization called the catholic church, erected by….. I was raised a catholic, until…I actually seriously started to read the Bible. We can read in Scriptures that Lord Jesus commanded the Apostles to first preach the Gospel to the Jews, and after also to the Heathen or Gentiles (but never vise versa ! ). I found out in Scriptures who of the Apostles for the first time went to Rome .. and it wasn't Peter. In the Book of Acts it says in Chapter 28 the following: 16 "And when we came to Rome, the Centurion delivered the Prisoners to the Captain of the Guard: but Paul was allowed to live in a house, by himself, with a Roman Soldier that kept him. 17 And it came to pass, that after three days Paul called the Chief of the there living Jews together: and when they came together, Paul said to them: "Men and Brethren, though I have committed nothing against our people, our customs, or against our fathers, yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem into the hands of the Romans 18 who, when they had examined me, would have let me go, because there was no cause of guild in me. 19 But when the Jews spoke against that verdict, I was constrained to appeal unto Caesar; not that I had made any accusations against my Nation. 20 For this Hope (the Gospel of Jesus Christ) therefore I have called for you, to see you, and to speak with you: because for the Hope of Israel I am bound with these chains. 21 The Chief of the Jews said to Paul: "We neither received letters out of Judaea concerning you, neither any of the Brethren that came from there shewed or spoke any harm of you. 22 But we desire to hear of you what you think: for concerning this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere". The Roman catholic church claims that it was Peter who went to Rome first to preach the Gospel there first and that it was Peter who founded the catholic church there. Question: who lies? God,... or the Roman catholic church ? And what about the Letter in the Bible from Paul to the Congregation of Galatians where it says this in Chapter 2? From verse 7 we read the following: 7 "But on the contrary, when they saw that the Gospel of the Uncircumcision (Gentiles) was committed unto me, as the Gospel of the Circumcision (Jews) was unto Peter; 8 for He that gave Peter power effectively to the Apostleship of the circumcision (again: the Jews), the Same was Mighty in me toward the Gentiles. 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the Grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we (that are Paul and Barnabas) should go unto the Heathen, and they unto the Circumcision. Again dear catholics: who lies? God’s Word, or the Roman catholic church? Bible, the book of Acts, Chapter 5, verse 29 : Then Peter and the other Apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey GOD - rather than man” !! Since the Roman catholic 'church' claims to be well-read on scriptures, then please point me in the direction of where in the Bible it says to pray to a woman, or with a rosary praising Mary, or to dead “saints.” Lord Jesus calls every believer Saints which all are who received the Holy Spirit and confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord – so Rome has no authority appointing only some people saint – that is ludicrous. Please show me the name ‘pope’ in the Bible? Please show me where it says to call any mortal sinful man (the pope) your father. Please show me where the Bible says anything about purgatory, or paying indulgences (buying yourself into heaven - is God corrupt ?). Please show me where Mary was sinless? Why is it that catholics worship Mary still as a virgin when Lord Jesus had half brothers and half sisters? Mark 6 : 3 "Is this not the Carpenter, the Son of Mary, AND BROTHER OF JAMES, JOSES, JUDAS, AND SIMON? And are not HIS SISTERS here with us?” Matthew 13 : 55-56 "Is this not the Carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And HIS BROTHERS JAMES, JOSES, SIMON, AND JUDAS? AND HIS SISTERS, are they not all with us?" Please show me where it says to confess your sins to a fellow sinful man so that he may forgive them? Where does the Bible say the pope is the “vicar of Christ” on earth - how can a sinful man be te replacer of Christ on earth? That is blasphemy ! Show me where it says that a preacher must be unmarried? It was the pagan ROMAN Emperor Constantine (306 – 337 AD) who was in fact the first “pope” who hijacked the first Christian Communion in Rome founded by the apostle Paul, and he didn't allow for the common people to have Bible Scriptures...to keep believers ignorant to stay in power, as the Catholic Church still tries to do. Later pope’s started the ‘inquisition’ because the book printing machine was invented and people like Martin Luther and William Tyndale could spread the Bible in printed form to the common people: they were persecuted by Rome and many of them burned to dead for that by decree of Rome, and so were hundreds others who did the same as they denounced the FALSE doctrines of Rome. Rome called them heretics and witches while they murdered Christians who loved Jesus and true Scriptures. THESE ARE HISTORICAL FACTS. PLEASE GET OUT OF THIS FALSE CHURCH !!! The Roman catholic “church” is a continuation of the old Roman PAGAN Empire: it never went away as it disguised itself as a Christian Church. The pope, cardinals and bishops wear a Mitre - which odd head dress comes from the old pagan Rome priests representing a FISH BEAK god (I suggest you search for that). Read Revelation, Chapter 17: verse 7, 8 and 9…Read also Revelation 18 to see what God will do to this “church.”

It's called gospel perversion

Liar liar liar Peter is not a pope

WOW, talk about reading into Scripture what you want it to say.

You know, the Bible mentions Peter's name 195 times compared to the nearest disciple John 29 times!! How is that not pointing to the important of Peter in Jesus's ministry on earth???😂😂😂

Peter was not a heavy handed selfish leader. Peter was a good leader so he did not have to throw weight around and be "recognized", they all knew what the stature of each other was. There was no reason to dictate what they all knew to be so. Peter's leadership was uncontested; writing it explicitly beyond the structure Jesus put in place would have been an unhumble act.

It is amazing how scripture can be twisted to support anything. Nothing in that passage or any other passage points to anything papal, what we just saw was eisegesis.

Eisegesis much?

One thing is to recognize that Peter had a special role, another is to affirm this line of succession that holds the Vatican 1 dogmas, they’re VERY different.

Wow, I never saw it that way!