Lowlight Cameras Can't Beat Stealth

No... Musk cannot be wrong! Teslas do great in the fog... by just switching off Autopilot.

What about IR?

If I wanted to watch someone solve complex problems while I sit there watching, pretending to understand, I wouldn't have called in sick to work today.

On everything other than a completely clear and moderate temperature day, I would take radar over electro-optical sensors any day, even for stealth aircraft. His low light cameras would be completely useless if it was slightly overcast

I'm reminded suddenly of that time they gave soldiers the task to try to fool an AI which was using image recognition to identify humans, and the soldiers were recorded giggling with delight as they snuck past the camera in a cardboard box.

DST you really brought the receipts. The second-hand embarrassment for Elon was real

basically, you can see a lost hiker flashing a mirror at you from a mile below. you cannot see the same lost hiker if he’s flashing a piece of black plastic

Looks like musk never heard about beyond visual range combat

Yaoguang satellite came in to blow end your career.

Excuse me did you just assume the gender of my seeing capabilities?

It was found that you can ping F-35s with starlink sats

True but enough good thermals combined with a laser range finder combined with a data link can defeat a stealth aircraft provided that the missile can hit the target in the terminal phase of the flight. Like say NASAMS II could engage a stealth aircraft if it flies below clouds.

The PIRATE IRST on the Eurofighter can guide missiles through a datalink. Depending on its resolution, it would be able to spot a stealth fighter. Cool and useful, but to act like it makes them immediately obsolete is a stretch. An IRST system like that is just a fancy new tool in a toolbox.

If you can see a fighter jet, then you're definitely not their target.

It's funny whenever smart people manage to be idiots.

I swear people who think AI is the future of everything are in a for a violent awakening in the next few years lol

Elon is that insufferable know it all who you know for a fact doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

thats a nice video and all but that tweet can be debunked by a simple question:
Given the US military essentially has a blank cheque and thousands and thousands of experts over decades of research, does Musk actually believe no one has thought of the idea of 'lets just point a camera at it'?
honestly, this guy is peak mount stupid, the embodiment of dunning kruger, as overused as that theory is in debates, it very much holds true for this guy. He knows just enough to consider himself an expert but his arrogance - fueled by the endless supply of bootlickers and yes sayers around him and online, makes him believe he knows more than everyone else. Its also the reason why he is so rich, he is the dumb persons idea of a smart person. He proves this time and time again with his plans. Hyperloop, the atlantic tunnel, the las vegas tunnels, fuck even Starlink is extraordinarily stupid. Theres very few people in locations remote enough to make ground based internet connectivity infeasible, thats why they are remote. And to give those few people coverage, you do not need to launch more satellites than every other country and company combined over the entire age of the space age.
sadly he isnt going anywhere anytime soon but i will celebrate the day i wont have to read about this bozos so called 'thoughts' and his 'ideas' again.

Stealth means a lock-on can't be achieved before exfiltration.
Stealth doesn't mean some movie magic chameleon crap like Elon seems to think. The aircraft will be detected, but detection is useless if you can't shoot it down. The famous stealth F-117 was usually picked up by enemy radar, but lock-on was never achieved until that one incident.

It's getting easier and easier to debunk Elon's crazy claims, that guy is loosing it

What about a bunch a drones with solar panels about the clouds keeping watch? Wouldn't that work?

Elons cameras can’t see a solid wall…

Almost like clouds don't exist

And the funny thing is even if they were able to “track” stealth jets with cameras. That’s wouldn’t mean that they have a weapons grade lock on the actual jet itself. Low band radars actually do a pretty good job of “tracking” stealth jets. It’s just they can’t do anything about it until they get a weapons grade lock with the high frequency radars.

Invisible you say?

When you can't even say my name
Has the memory gone? Are you feeling numb?
Go on, call my name
I can't play this game, so I ask again
Will you say my name?
Has the memory gone? Are you feeling numb?
Or have I become invisible?

massively underestimating techniques and technology

i don't get why Elon is so fixated on using cameras for practical applications they'd perform worse on....

You guys all missed the point congrats. The night sky is not dark. It is super super bright to low light camera. Thats the point. The F-35 blots out light and leaves a dark spot on what should otherwise be a static image of the nighttime sky.

Any takers?

You only use the visible spectrum. The infrared spectrum would show the aircraft much brighter. Especially at night. Just the contrast from empty space and an aircraft is very large, especially with all the friction from the air passing the surface of the plane generating heat. But what you don't take into account is stealth aircraft use gas shielding to block many frequencies including infrared when needed.

someone made a program that can track tiny dots like stealth fighters, with many cameras for extra accuracy

You didn't factor in motion. Motion might show up through the noise. Also, channel "Consistently Inconsistent" made a video about tracking stealth fighters with cheap cameras without AI.

Genuinely a dumb stupid question because this isn’t what Elon was talking about. But what would it look like if you mounted them to satellites in orbit instead?

You forgot that you can remove noise by analyzing a sequence of images. Astronomers use many methods to find objects in the sky.

U didn't watch the video that explains the algorithm to track their 3D position. They are using multiple cameras from multiple angles. Noise is random. But the it's not moving at super sonic speed

I think there was a guy that actually tracked aircraft with relatively cheap cameras and no AI in a video titled "Actually Tracking Stealth Fighters with Cheap Cameras Without AI or Radar in Real time." which seems appropriatly named.

I like how everyone assumes the F-35 even needs to be visible to make you explode… let me know when the AI Cameras can see beyond the curvature of the earth.

ConsistentlyInconsistentyt made also made a very godd video regarding the topic. With multiple cheap, wide angle cameras he was, in theory, able to detect an F-35 fighter jet 30 km away with certainty using pixel motion voxal projection

i think there's some dude that demonstrated that it is pretty much doable, can't remember the video's name tho nor the channel, but the demonstration was pretty much impressive, china has developped another method by analysing radio shadows from satellites, ironically starlink to detect stealth fighters

i think everyone confuses stealth with invisibility. stealth aircrafts are supposed to be undetected by radar to a certain degree

What about satellites?

what about distributed and hybrid systems though
youre clearly informed about astronomy, but thats a civilian perspective, comes across as pessimistic and naive