Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs are FASTER Than You Think - Don't Sleep On This!

To me Arrow Lake looks like stepping stone of a generation.
The different tiles and how Intel first presented the Foveros packaging with how quick and 'cheap' they can change any tile on the CPU is going to start to show it's strength in a few years.
If Intel's 18A process node is finally going to be released and hopefully it is going to deliver they can leave TSMC and get back with their own fabrication process.

For me this arrow lake is just way to pleasing Investor because ithey can't entice investor if they have nothing to sell/but Intel 2025 goal is 18A die that why LGA 1851 only support one gen they probably released refresh but clearly the didn't want relies on TSMC,almost all major chip company relies on TSMC, so their real competitor is TSMC not AMD like many people thought so if they can deliver new fabrication in 2025.

I enjoy the out of the box thinking about thinking about this one, I feel like it's just been channels smashing on it so far. You are on the right path of optimism with the DDR5 speeds.

Clickbait title. Only BS. How is worse for gaming "FASTER Than You Think"????

Once you start talking about overclocking and 'tuning' to match the competition, you're on the track to failure and possibly dead CPUs. This is why X3D will remain king.

Click bait. You have actually tested these CPU"s? I think not...

This is a good move by Intel, they are going in right direction. I don't mind that the 285k is 5% slower in gaming compared to the 14900k, as we are not limited to just gaming, we do other productive things too. upgrading from 9900k to 285k will be sweet.

A good all around CPU with good performance per watt. I want no more heaters in my room, gona buy the 265k. Best CPU for the buck if the price is like shown.

Arrow lake at 9000mhz is going to perform the same as raptor lake at 8000mhz DDR5 because of the tile design. +15ns difference. Unless you spend an absurd amounts of money on binned CUDIMM for 10000mhz DDR5 it isn’t going to provide much of an uplift in gaming

I have to agree with you man. I think though, that both Intel and AMD knew they would have to start really working on power efficiency because nodes are just not getting smaller as fast as they had been the last 15-20 years. We are on 3nm and some 4nm now and those nodes are good quality, but not way smaller than the 6nm and 7nm that had been normal since Zen launched 7 years ago. AMD and Intel are definitely prioritizing server customers at this time, but as you said, the 14th gen Intel chips and Zen 4 are quite GOOD at gaming right now. I hope Intel has solved: degradation issues, motherboard pressure mounting issues and are started in the right direction on power usage. Don't forget that they should have their HT replacement in the next 1-2 years; rentable units!

I still can´t get around the fact: 430W stock, are you freaking kidding? Just because it´s better than the last doesn´t make it anything good for a consumer CPU, for those who are around long enough: that´s way more stock power draw than an outragously overclocked Core2Quad and as much as a freaking 4090! How is that justified for consumers? I wouldn´t say anything if this was a professional CPU like Threatripper or Server CPU like Epyc.

I would like back an Intel for some light video editing. I want to start with i3 or oops Ultra 3 now assuming it is not a previous gen refresh as rumoured but Meteor Lake refresh at the least as rumoured, small something so mini-ITX room for a 2 slot Battlemage card to test and try some things out. Ultra speed memory would help with this but I worry about the cost to be honest.

I think I will order another modified HZmod XQ69 rom the ocal metalshop and have it ready.

I still use my i5-9600K.
It runs my games fine. As you said: In no rush to upgrade.

$50 less than the 9950x? You do know that they've quietly lowered those prices significantly right?

I may pay a little extra for a binned 285k, see how far I can get with overclocking on an air cooler. Be a good comparison vs my old 3770k. I managed to overclock it to 4.9GHz back in the day, on an air cooler, before I was hitting instability issues and thermal limits. (Reduced to 4.5GHz for my daily use)

I've got a beefy air cooler waiting for my next build. I'll be interesting to try my hands at it overclocking again. My 9700k in my laptop I had to underclock and undervolt to get acceptable thermals.. At least this time around I'll be going back to a desktop setup.

Kinda eyeing that Asrock Taichi OCF board. Just too bad EVGA has since dropped outta the market more or less.. I may wait for a bit though, as I'd like to try out a CAMM2 MOBO.

Just let tou know, 8000mhz ddr5, and 10000mhz. Can be used, with Intel ultra core.

If for nothing else, then because of impudence, intel should be ditched and everyone should switch to amd. They fired 15 thousand workers while the CEO got a bonus, i.e. his salary went from 11 million to 17 million dollars!!! What kind of company is that, they should be ashamed.

Higher megatransfers after a certain point don't give (much) more performance in gaming under today's common scenarios because we are relying more and more on large amounts of cache on the CPU (game engine) combined with a dedicated GPU doing all of the rendering in VRAM. The small repetative things the game engine needs to update hit up the L2 and L3 cache until they are full, and when they spill over into system memory it is timings and latency moreso than sheer bandwidth that drive framerates. More MT at the same latency would scale closer to what you would think (8000 is 133% of 6000 for example), but the slower timings of the "faster" RAM make it a wash, or diminished results.
AI and iGPU are where these capacities, speeds, and bandwidth pay off. When your CPU needs to analyze a 10GB LLM or do all of the work of a GPU in a modern game, that is utilizing 8000MT DDR5 in a way that would see performance scale linearly.
This is why a Lunar Lake mobile chip has 8533MT LPDDR5X but it isn't getting anyone's attention. It only really does anything for the integrated graphics, which these memory speeds are laying groundwork for to get good once the CUs are increased, but they aren't there yet.

Nah, man. This generation is pure trash.

I wonder if they have that "performance degradation" built in to the architecture like the several previous generations before lol? They ignored that problem so bad it cost them a sale a couple days ago when I went with a Zen 4......and I hate that E-core, P=core crap! AMD scrood the pooch on Zen 5 but didn't come close to the attempted cover up Intel did. I probably will never buy another Intel product again!

Finally someone with a brain and not some bone headed caveman gamer: Me no want efficiency... Me want 5 more FPS.

I feel like the ultra 5 would be the more interesting ones actually since they have closer clock speeds to the previous gens i5s, so the IPC improvement should be felt more in that case.

Only downside about hoping for good scaling with 9000-10000 DDR5 is those modules arent going to be cheap, so in the end they might be powerful but not worthy compared to a 7800X3D/9800X3D which might get the same performance with cheap memory

intelclowns awaiting results 62-85% performance? and buy all trash cpu

The only way these CPUs can be good is with massively discounted prices

I don't have a 10KW PSU I am afraid...

buying Intel meens no Waranty, so are you an idiot or smart?

I know 90% of people only care about gaming so this will be iill received but for people like me who do video editing, use Revit and do 3D rendering, video encoding and decoding… Intel offer an Igpu that AMD just don’t give you. I was considering 9950x this build but the only thing stopping me is to see Arrow Lakes gaming ability with faster RAM. Because if it can gain a few fps and provides better productivity in the tasks I mentioned, it will actually be the best all round CPU you can buy this gen

Yes

Screw @intel .. BLOCKING BRANDS FROM MAKING AMD ITX BOARDS.. NO NEW AMD 800 SERIES ITX BOARDS!!!!! INTEL TAKING SMT AWAY... NO THANKS!!! ILL STAY ON AMD X3D.. ITS BETTER THAN ANY INTEL IV USED IN PAST BUILDS... GOOD BYE @INTEL

ANTI-CONSUMER MOVE ON THE AI FRONT .. IM CALLING AN FTC ANTI CONSUMER LAWSUIT ON AMD / INTEL / AND NVIDIA.. A.... I.... DONT WANT IT!!! DONT GIVE A F**UCK ABOUT AI

I'm amazed how cheap Core ultra 200S is, with all 3d packaging and 3nm TSMC.
The motherboard price gonna be real expensive.

The loss of Monolithic Ring Bus that Intel kept since Sandy Bridge to Raptor Lake definetly sucks so bad.

P-core IPC improvement on Alder Lake, 19%.

The question is how does it compare to Amd's x3d line for gaming

Hi Danny! I've been following you for some time. Just wanted to say that I prefer your analysis and reflections on the current state of affairs than speculations about the future. Looking forward to your opinion once 3rd party benchmarks are out.

Nice practical review

Ill wait a year and find out first if it doesn’t oxidize

Arrow lake should be a very large performance improvement for typical corporate and OEM buyers. Lunar lake should be a large improvement for mobile device buyers. Intel seems to be catering to their market base this round.

And I agree, Arrow Lake seems to be very tunable. Intel said they don't expect a lot of P-core headroom, but there should be a fair amount with the E-cores. Also the SOC chip with the memory controller and the communication lanes between are separately overclockable from the cores. Lots more dials to turn if you like that sort of thing.

I agree, the power consumption was obscene, it's good to stop seeking performance for one or two generations and use this side step to reduce power usage. Granted, i wish we still had Hyper Threading on the U7 and U9 at least.

I switch back and forth between AMD and Intel at every generation. Now it's time for team blue for me. Going to pick up core 9 ultra 285k and Gigabyte Z890 Xtreme when they launch.
My 4090 will see 3 generations of CPU upgrades. The 5090 can't come soon enough. I'll get that on day one when it launches.

125-250W and it is on bar with the top and best CPU's. Yes I think it is under powered. At this Wattage paired with AMD/Nvidia GPU it doesn't need the power for simple reason CPU makes very small gain for AMD/Nvidia GPU architecture. You can slap any CPU from last plus 5 years and it will idle/hover around 50% and for the end result the gains are minimal.

CPU has next to no effect to the GPU performance for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. Overall system performance will bring the level up but that is different. You can go from 1080p to 4k and the CPU usage won't change from hovering around 50%. It will still do the most basic tasks regardless of resolution/GPU load. So personally if you have any top CPU from last 5 plus years you are good.

Only point is if you are using REBAR. Again just like E Cores the gain with REBAR for AMD/Nvidia. Zero, Zilch, Nada. +-5%. But for INTEL ARC architecture things start to change. Alchemist almost doubles it performance with REBAR/on enabling the CPU to pair with ARC GPU to configure a two silicon architecture. It worked with AMD CPU but on INTEL CPU we are seeing 20% lift and with every driver update the gap is widening exposing the real potential of the Alchemist optimizing the pairing to INTEL CPU. AMD 170W max vs 253W max from INTEL CPU. That alone gives you a good idea where the performance gain comes from.

So lets take a step forward. X870 and Z890 boards will give direct lane PCI 5.0 to the CPU that you might want to call "REBAR on steroids". Now you can call this as true dual silicon performance/architecture for INTEL ARC. Hence the early launch for the X870 even that the CPU's are maybe coming 2025 if not at all. In real life this means no queuing or waiting. This means no stutter or broken frames. Comparing performance it means ARC 60FPS is better than 120FPS from AMD/Nvidia for gaming experience without stutter at high resolution/demand. In Wattage it means Arrow Lake 250-295W (extreme) + Battlemage 250-275W = 500-570W combined power. Wattage in general = performance. AMD CPU would give you 170W max and loose 125W of combined performance in the worse case for ARC. Add to that no queuing and no waiting where every frame is good. 5080 for example 400W standalone card where the 400W is all you get and the CPU performance is minimal.

Then we have the price.
5080 $1200-1500 predicted + Ryzen 9 9950X $650 + X870/Ram $600 = $2450- 2750.
Arrow Lake 285K $600 + Battlemage $500 predicted + Z890 board/Ram $600 = $1700.

Plus I predict the ARC all INTEL combo will wipe the floor with AMD/Nvidia combo plus saving you cool +$1000.

Intel Arrow Lake is a wait and see. With such a drastic change to the architecture we should brace ourselves for some whacky gaming performance scaling.

We've had similar situations with the dual CCD Ryzen 7900X3D and 7950X3D. Sometimes the 3D Vcache works miracles, other times the dual CCD gets in the way of your gaming experience. All I can say is that you're better off with the 7800X3D. That is unless you need the additional cores for productivity.

now the key word and marketing intel base everything is cooler less power les consuption aAHAHAHAHAH we never forget the room warmers of 14 gen hahahah

You forget two things...NEW MOTHERBOARDS and COOLING...so this is going to be EXPENSIVE!!

I hope intel succeeds with this gen. I love Intel.

Amazing video, very informative, thank you.

Everytime i see people having weird ass crashes or issues with games they always run amd cpus

As long as it runs gta who gives a f😂

Regardless of what you say, it's disappointing that we are current current gen performance in a next gen product. The efficiency is good, but performance isn't good enough. I was really looking forward to arrow lake. I use it for productivity and gaming, so it's sad that Intel are in this position right now.

no its okay to sleep on it, with no confirmed upgrade path, little gains and very expensive cost to jump into a platform that intel wont even guarantee lava lake will work on it, min gains in gaming and okay MT boost, doesnt seem worth it, less power new arch who cares , it might matter in 2-3 more generations. Intel is LITERALLY telling you to tamper your expectations that says alot when there always like apple and do everything they can to make sure there numbers look good on top of all that the motherboards are godly expensive for yet again no guarantee you wont be rebuying everything again in a year, the FOMO for one of the least exciting intel processor in years is mind boggling to me.

Now that Intel is in their "glue" era, I'm curious how the latency is with arrowlake versus their monolithic counterparts.