Calling Out Obese To Beast | Fake Outrage or Sincere? #Rant

You never said you wouldn’t use them you just said you didn’t understand why someone would want to use them and it was new to you

Listen, this dude would be pissed off in South Africa, because english isn't most people's first language, some will swap genders around cos of the language barrier I assume, it's quite cute when it's a little old lady <3

Ngl, it's not easy to use them/they/their Prounouns.
I have a best friend who is non-binary but I do tend to forget and have to keep reminding myself.
People make mistakes, it's natural. Not everyone can remember everything

"Yea I know, I don't have a demented brain" XD that killed me lol

In my personal opinion you were very respectful and respectfully used people’s pronouns

Little late to this party. I recently watched a video where he interviews a friend about their weight gain and loss. This friend makes contradictory statements throughout the interview. But John just sits there nodding and being supportive. He never questions his friend about these statements. That interview happened much later than this video, so maybe his feelings were hurt but your rebuttal and he decided to never upset anyone by "calling them out". Whatever happened, I rarely watch his videos anymore.

P.S. I agree with the people who say John should have spoken to Michelle about his concerns privately instead of on his very public forum. You know, the forum that helped HIM buy a home.

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It seems like he didn’t even watch the video…

as a trans man, a lot of trans and nonbinary people are definitely reactive to certain things and i’ve personally come across people who have been pissed about accidental misgendering.

Alex Kingston literally said the same thing – that she was confused about pronouns and never knows what she’s supposed to use – and was praised for her honesty. Wtf is Beast getting so upset about?

Fuck that, i will never call a single human they or them. That is saved for a group of more than 1.

I think John was def overreacting probably because there are a lot of people who are still assholes about ENBY people and they/them pronouns. I think that’s why a lot of people overreact. so yeah I think Michelle got a lot of smoke for this that she didn’t deserve but it’s nice that she’s setting the record straight.

Lmao he is spineless

The only time I’ll use they/them is with conjoined twins.

The pronoun thing is always been something that confuses me as Spanish is my first language and we don’t have they/them without putting masculine or feminine form to them. Ellos = them (masculine) / Ellas = them (feminine). But of course if someone tells me in English to refer to them as they/them I will just do that… but no one will ever do that in Spanish 😅 but it does get confusing and people in the real life are not easily triggered like they act online

I think it's ok for someone to say they don't understand someone or a concept.

Acceptance and tolerance has gotten way out of hand. Mistakes happen. Trying to keep up with pronouns might not be easy for everyone. Nor using the wrong pronoun intenial.

I like Michelle and obese to beast. They more or less make simular content. Michelle was correct, her edits are entertaining. She is far from boring.

As a they/them I totally get you, Michelle. I don't understand it all myself. And I have had people from other communities, particularly ItsGermaine, attack people for using pronouns that don't match their outward appearance. I have NEVER had anyone from your community or even yourself make me feel othered or disrespected. If OTB wants to be angry at a content creator he should take it up with ItsGermaine. She just recently made a video about Jordan Underwood and misgendered them the whole video and her comments were full of people talking shit about the LGBTQ+ community and so far to my knowledge she's done Jack shit about it.
Also, in real life I've never had anything be an asshole about being misgendered but online... oh yeah! I feel like everything is exaggerated online because people don't feel like it's real life and therefore there aren't real life consequences. That being said I love both you and OTB 😢 don't fight lol!

I wish to lose enough weight to look less curvy and less feminine before I tell people "I'd like to be referred to as they/them from now on"...
And yet I still have slip ups with other people's genders.
I'm okay with my loved ones only calling me she/her because my body does not yet resemble how I wish to look when I'm ready to be addressed with the pronouns I feel the most comfortable with.
I have they/them struggles...and I still have slip ups regarding other people's preferred genders.
That's just some proof right there that many people have to work more than others to make it second nature.

He uses he/him and has no trouble with it? I'm trying to achieve a specific look before I'm ready to tell my family I want to use they/them and I still have slip ups despite that.

Every individual needs their own time and practice to get used to this and memorize other people's preferred pronouns!
And when I'm ready to go by they/them, I'm not gonna get angry with my mom, gramma, sister or nephews if they keep referring to me as a girl, unless they do it out of disrespect.
But if those times are just genuine slip ups, I'll be patient with them, because I'd be the first they/them person they'd actually have to interact with so far in their lives and I can't predict how long it'll take for them to get used to it!
Patience and understanding, man. Those are needed. And it didn't really feel like he was using it for the video. It felt like he only wanted likes and social points with his audience and was refusing to understand what she was really saying.

Maybe he genuinely didn't understand, but I feel like he just made the effort not to. Like he understood but refused to admit that to keep up conflict.

Basically John is weak.

It’s kind of funny that people were mad at Michelle for this. As a queer person, sometimes it is hard to remember a person’s pronouns, even if they go by she/her or he/him if their appearance doesn’t match up. Especially if you’ve known them a long time. And Michelle didn’t say something like “they them pronouns are stupid and anyone who has them is delusional”. If she did, the hate would be justified. She literally just said that she tries to use the right pronouns as much as possible, but sometimes she forgets! I just see this as honesty. A liar would say “it’s literally so easy to use the right pronouns for a person. They told you which ones to use, now you use them. I have never used the wrong pronouns” because using the right pronouns, especially for non-binary people, is like a learned skill that takes lots of practice. People within the queer community find it easier because they are friends with more people that go by they/them, so they’re used to it. People outside of the community don’t know as many people who go by they/them, so it’s harder to get used to.

What a hypocritical, patronizing hypocrite, he is.

Wait… he isn’t gay?

I don't understand electricity, I don't have to, I just use it safely and with respect, same as you.

I don't mind calling anyone by whatever pronoun they prefer, but I find it very odd that one, singular person would go by the pronoun of 'they/them' when that exclusively refers to a group of ppl in the English language. I'm not sure what the solution is, but maybe a better pronoun that makes more sense could be come up with. It may not come naturally to ppl to say 'they/them' for one human, when that never refers to one person. Then again, I suppose language can evolve, and I am all for ppl being called what they prefer once stated, but...that's quite a jump, like asking one number to signify another from now on. (And I'm also part of the LGBTQ+ community, btw, and yet, still find it a strange pronoun term bc it refers to multiple ppl.)

I go by they / them and girl. If you dont misgender me maliciously I simply don't care, if youre nice and respectful, I could be a plant pot idrc. I dont know if thats a general experience, but being non-binary to me is just because gender isnt something I find important about myself - I just find it wild existing as a person

It’s like this guy is trying to step on you to get to Demi Lovato or something, what a weirdo. Everything he said in this video was weird. Good on you for standing your ground 💪🏽

I dont think ive ever seen michelle actually get angry. Like an angry Michelle in my head doesnt make sense. Like sating 2+2=-1079!

Sorry I don't feel comfortable as a mental health survivor to reinforce an undiagnosed mental disorder in someone else especially someone young. It's kinda sick.

That guy really REALLY SUCKS

In my experience, men who call themselves non binary, etc. generally have autogynephilia which is a paraphilia in the DSM. Some transition later, some do not. I don't care if some men are gender non-conforming, but I'm not accommodating some man's paraphilia by using special pronouns. It can literally turn them on. (I've spent too much time on Reddit and I know things I wish I didn't.)

They then is so ridiculous

I think it was just bad wording. Not understanding pronouns is different from not understanding the struggle of someone using different pronouns. Either way, this seems like it didn't need to be a big deal

hes trying so hard to get picked, its so funny how men like this are the ones who will finally break that character and go back to their origins when their lgbt followers leave someday

Girl I’m nonbinary and I agree with you. He’s really irritating me because he won’t let you finish. He also keeps rewording what u said but trying to make u look bad. I also love ur videos keep up the good work 💗💗💗💗🐾

Most gay people were exposed to sexuality in a bad way as a child

Well they prosecuted Dave Chappelle

I work with a guy like him, he sided with me until he realize I made a mistake at work and then he said he never did and said exactly why it was wrong, these guys will leave you back stabbed hahaha 😂

If yr goal is to make vidéos not boring… i think you nailed it!!! They’re original, i Find the editing, the Little skits and yr up beat and sassy ton extremely entertaining!
And yep yr opinions seem very logical and nuanced to me… so i dont understands what upsetted him.

Ps sorry for typing and spelling… my french correcter is annoying and i can’t be bothered to fix it honnestly 😊

Lots of love to everyone!

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I absolutly adore Michelle and agree with her completly but… nah … she did insult him😮 she’s fair but i wouldn’t say she’s nice😂 She’s brutal and has quite the spicky tongue! I love that wicked whitch!

Dog mom your Dog mom! I’m gay I’m very reactive lol! Say your name and I will call you by your name! Love your gurls btw mesmerizing

I think it's best for someone to say they don't understand something and say that they don't get it then to walk around being a a**

man doesn’t just have a problem with reading, but also comprehension 🙄

What was his deal on this topic? I thought his channel was about critiquing fat acceptance and stuff. This video seems so random and weird. To me it feels like he was doing it to feel good about himself, or even please some of his audience, by policing other fellow content creators on some politically correct mainstream topics.

This is way too early in the video to comment but:
Nonbinary is just another gender identity. Most people identify themselves as "man" "woman" etc. but many get into more specifics like "tomboy" "soft boy" "man's man" "girly girl" etc. Nonbinary is similar in that it's an identifier. What it means is that the person doesn't describe themself as a variation of "man" or "woman" but rather an identity that doesn't fit within the binary, for whatever reason.
Also, something I found interesting, it's not a neologism, this idea is present in a lot of other cultures throughout history, it's just new to us.
Ultimately, it's a grammatical adjustment for cisgendered people, but that adjustment is a demonstration of respect and empathy that trans and specifically nonbinary people appreciate.

Just because you've never met a rude LGTB member. Just doesn't mean they don't exist. Unfortunately they do, and I have interacted with too many of them, giving me a negative view. No hate ofc.
Sometimes they could be a little too bold. Like once I was trying to make myself feel good, "These pants make my ass look good." Within conversation, because honestly yeah they did for a smaller rear but not flat.
What does he say? "What ass? I don't see it."
Too comfortable and rude for no reason! I hardly know him too. 🥲

I know this video is old as now but I'd like to add my perspective as a gender fluid person! Not understanding is completely different to not respecting. I don't understand, say, therians but it doesn't mean I can't be kind to them. If you're trying and you're being respectful and apologetic about mistakes then it's FINE!! I have plenty of friends and family who mess up about preferred pronouns and preferred names and I don't freak out because they don't mean to. People being pissed off at you for messing up or not understanding are being ridiculous and you're doing great! <3

jeez, he’s SO self righteous!

Idk why but his constant use of yall is annoying. Like, can we revoke his use of the word since I’ve never met someone in the south that would agree with him? Like sir, please don’t call us yall, do what all the people who think like u do and say “folks”