The Biggest Lie You've Been Told in Armwrestling!

Just moisturize before the match

But have you considered that the matches that don't go to straps have been so dominant in strength regard that the strap wouldn't have changed anything so they just decided to save time

Great analysis mate

I would argue that the THREAT of the strap is almost as important as the strap itself. I was doing practice pulls with this guy off of ready go and out of straps he totally beats me and in straps I destroy him. Once I slipped one time, and took him to straps, and he had to focus on not letting me slip, I was able to beat him out of straps too because he had to hold onto me. So even though if it had been a super match, probably only 50-60% of rounds with us would go to straps, the fact that I could get to straps and win dictated how everything in the match went because he had to hold on outside of straps.

GREAT VIDEO BROTHER!! Absolutely right!! Great job. 💪💪💥💥

I bet the results would be totally different if you analyse a bunch of supermatches instead of a tournament

One counterargument that you did not address is that just from a math perspective most matches in which there is not an agreed to strap the first round functions as both guys figuring out if they want a strap or not against the opponent. Therefore adding a round that's out of straps to a match that for the next several rounds may go to the strap. Also, it isn't totally fair to take out the agreed to strap. The reason that happens is that there's usually at least one explosive toproller and both guys know they're going to waste energy for a match that will inevitably slip. So you're keeping in rounds of matches that are more likely to not slip and removing rounds that both athletes agree are likely to slip. I don't think the number would be 90% but I think it'd be around 50-60% under the all slips go to straps rule. The other thing to consider is that when people say "90% of matches go to strap" that's sorta with the understanding that modern arm wrestling usually has at least 1 toproller. If the two guys are hook pullers nobody thinks that match is likely to slip. Im not saying that the statement is accurate on the whole, but what people actually mean is that if at least one puller is a toproller, and under the common ruleset that all slips go to straps, then more likely than not that supermatch will END UP in a strap.

I was gonna say that Janis and Coach Ray said that almost all matches go to strap IN pro Armwrestling...Although the percentage of strap matches is higher, that's still not true. Thanks for the facts

Very good insight, never really questioned the people saying 90 percent

Great stuff as always

Great video.

We need people like this and Todd Hutchings to actually do the mathematics

Would be interesting to see how this breaks down for weight classes.

oh my god..... the thumbnail just hit me...

The statistics should compare instances when someone couldn't get to the strap when desired, versus when they could.

I mean obviously Few Hook vs Hook Matches go to Straps and Most toproll vs toproll ones have to( unless exploding Hand )

So i think whats meant by 90% of Matches go to Straps is more so 90% can Go to Straps If one Person chooses to prefer straps.

Which is ofc mainly relevant in any Hook vs toproll matchup so thats what really matters.

Without this context its Not so useful to Look at Numbers imo

Whats the data on devon getting the strap?

Thank you for your time to make this video ❤

You put Paul Linn's video twice in the description instead of the Cal from Omnipotent Growth video.

I bet anytime you include my matches on a card I bring the total percentage up haha

In professional arm wrestling leagues most matches go to strap. Amateur or local/state tournaments most do not it seems.

Greg and everyone yo extremely fun fact: The lady in that meme with the equations and formulas floating meme is actually an arm wrestler who I've seen memed at least twice her name is Chris De Souza! Crazy right??

Good conclusion but realizing there is often hook wars where they dont bother with the strap and flashes where one is overpowered then youre left with matches where it really matters and those are usually going straps

Devon’s statement is different from Coach Ray’s statement, at the beginning of the video. Devon says all slips go to straps. Coach Ray says all majority of matches go to straps. Those are different sets of statistics. All matches, versus all matches that contain slips.

I wonder where Ray got that percentage from

Do you think there might be a bias regarding if a match goes to strap or not depending on the weight category? I have a felling the smaller guys hook a lot more often then the guys in the upper weight categories, and almost no superheavyweight top athletes has the hook as their main weapon, specifically on the right arm. If that's the case, we might get a distorted notion on the topic since the most watched matches generally are superheavyweight and heavyweight matches.

Almost all of my matches go to straps too!

top roller vs top roller matches are more likely to go to straps, flop wrist guys want the straps so they slip. Hook matches don't go to strap that often. Strap match depends on various factors how much the players want the strap, grip strength of the players, style and speed of the players and refs.

Yeah, speaking from experience, getting into the strap AND also not losing through slip in losing position in waf is incredibly difficult

I wonder how the statistics would change though, if one only considered people that actually went into positions themselves, thats would enable them to slip. Because 2 hookers would most likely not slip

I mean, it depend on what kind of puller you are. All devons matches go to strap because hes a toproller, he doesnt want to hold on to people at all. One rare match he actually held on was his latest match with michael todd, but then todd slipped so it was a strap match either way. Short armed pullers usually hook without straps, and there are more short pullers than tall pullers.

good work brother
since you like facts, i wouldnt incorporate devons statement in the beginning "all slips go into straps" since your topic is not much about slipping but straps itself
allthough, nice data work :)

How about a video of your insights how to slip better.

You’re a blessing to the community. Thanks for the always informative videos 🙏💪

novices watch Devon and go with it. its just bad advice. its very nuanced to understand when its safe to slip and when your opponent will try to prevent you doing it, which can be a quick tournament round loss.

Great video. So looks like half the time we can expect straps 👍

WAF lols

That’s a false conclusion

Lol we know Devon's a liar

You are just little puppy and just for views spreading false information come on be man stop talking shit for nothing

You look like Ongarbaev's little brother

I have question can I use HGH to increase my wrist size for arm wrestling?

My guess when I started watching this video was 45%! I though East vs West would be even higher than it was though. Thanks for doing all the research / analytics for us!!!

About 95% of my matches goes to strap. Only when its a izi win , it does not. So I prioritize training in straps.

I went back and did this for EvW 13, which was just 3 weeks ago on July 6th.

Taking out rounds where the strap was agreed on (of which there were 6) ...
Total Rounds = 50
Strap Matches = 26 (52%)

Counting the rounds with strap agreed on:
56 Total - 32 Strap Rds - 57.14%

IMO the most interesting stat, is that in 11 of the 15 match ups ... either all rounds went to the strap, or none of them did. Only in 4 of the 15 were some rounds strap, some not.
In 6 of those 11, all rounds went to straps, obviously in the remaining 5 -- none did.

It seems to be pretty well even as far as strap-no straps goes.

It’s been a few tiring days of compiling and making sense of the data collected. Apologies for any mistakes that I’ve made, as I do these videos completely on my own, so some human error might slip in.

That being said, I’d like to address the main (and good) counterargument/criticism of this study, which is the fact that we should be looking at a scenario where 1 person is trying to slip, and the other is trying to not slip.

And yes, I agree, in an ideal world, that would be the best way I could steel man the opposing viewpoint. BUT for this type of secondary data sampling, we must be careful not to insert assumptions into our study.

It is very difficult and bad statistical practice to insert interpretation of intent on the part of the athletes, which is why I also adjusted the data to not include agreed strap matches, as those matches had clear intent involved.

In doing so, I kept the dataset as “pure” as possible for a fair statistical analysis.

Alrighty, time for bed now. Goodnight, you beasts 👊