Why men MAKE MORE than women: understanding the gender pay gap

Link to the study?

Excellent, fact-based, logic explanation!

There is no “gender pay gap.” There’s a gender earnings gap

Women make less as they are unreliable, they can get pregnant and leave the job.

A godly woman might ask and accept a man god leads them to no matter the guys appearance. Women foolishly think tall men with high earnings are the best. Those men are the hardest to hold onto and women lose them when the women lose their looks.

I remember reading a study comparing, conservative and "egalitarian, men and woman. Surprise the conservative couple would earn about $10,000 more a year than the "egalitarian" couple eh oshared household labor

Empyrical lunacy. Once men are priced out of the dating market entirely and females assume full societal superiority, we'll have something more akin to dark elf culture in D&D where males are entirely servile units made to perform slave labor or fight to the death for amusement, with the occasional particularly exceptional specimen being used to fertilize hundreds or thousands of mothers in the interest of evolutionary efficiency.

That's just simple math.

I'm not convinced about the always. You're probably familiar with the data about young men. Libido of young men is so strong... who would have thought that any significant number could give up on women? And this would be quite serious for the economy. What do they need? A room, a computer and porn and gaming subscriptions? Perhaps phone sex? It's not that expensive. No need to get a high paying job in a hostile environment or rack up a huge debt at a university. Yes, there are always going to be men at the top and even if a woman managed to beat them, it would be self-defeating when it comes to relationships with men as we know. But if this group of underachievers is big enough, it's going to put a serious dent into the average. Frankly, at this point, I'm expecting to see similar development as with university degrees.

Search Thomas Sowell. He has very good explaining on this.

How about those jobs where requirements for men are higher than for women like firefighters, police, solders, etc... but salary is the same?

Most west countries are already way way below replacement rate 😂

Yep! My wife, making more as a software ops manager, divorced me after a 28yr relationship, in 2016. All being told, I stalled at 48yrs of age taking a break after forced severance in commercial real estate sale.

For sharing your perspective, I am a feminist, myself and I am entrepreneur. I do think that the gender pay gap is not necessarily sexist however, it is a difference in women’s priorities and their roles as mothers as infants like he’s that do need their mothers were the ones with the tits, some men have tits too but unfortunately you can’t breast-feed from them

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Danke!

One thing you haven't mentioned is that this is in a capitalistic patriarchal society.

I work as a massage therapist for 20yrs. Everywhere I worked, I eventually would ask the women there what they made....and they ALL got paid less. I would tell them to ask for a raise and then they would, and they'd get a raise.

It seems they all were working for less and felt they were getting a 'fair' wage. But were always worried or nervous to ask for a raise.

"We're offering you the General Manager position at our subsidiary location...in Fargo, North Dakota."
Men are less likely to balk at this transfer to east japip than women are.

Common sense isn't common.

my guess is if you remove professional athletes and other unusually high earners, women most likely out earn men, hour for hour, career for career

Here's another factor to consider. Women are sometimes paid less than men since many hiring managers know that men are more likely to ask for more money during salary negotiations and performance reviews. This is something I read about that was shared by a recruiter with decades of industry experience. So while the end result could be interpreted as sexism - the root cause is just business, aka good old fashioned greed. I had the same thing happen to me when I was young and didn't know how to sell myself during interviews. If a company can get away with getting more work out of an employee for less money, they'll do it.

I completely agree, but with one caveat, dangerous work tends to be highly paid work. Women avoid danger in order to ensure the survival of their offspring. Therefore there are many high paid jobs women are excluded from.

What sexual marketplace? I’m broke af but I got my Vr headset and my onaholes lolooooooll

This is the conclusion I've come to (I'm a man and just use a joke account name):

Men take more risk in the hunter gatherer society, and work harder in the agricultural society, while women stay as house keepers raising children. This make sense as they are attracted to each other in the appropriate role in their time. Today our society changed so fast we have the choice to be equal, and many do take up that choice. When your choice remain as "men are to earn and take risk while women are to raise the family", you will have a gender pay gap or other gap. You can't pick a cushy job to raise a family and expect to make the same as the single earner who focus on career and money to provide the family.

Most reasonable women understand this, except the loafer feminists who just want a lazy girl job making the same as those working more or harder. This is a disgrace to those real hard working women who made it to the top. I have worked with these hard working women leaders and I have a lot of respect for them. They outearn their men counterpart and got their well deserved position. They are never there to complain about the gender pay gap like those loafer feminists.

What we did in "equality" is just wrong if you think the solution to pay gap is to make the job easier (more family time less over time more benefit). What we should do is to split different roles that demand different efforts and pay accordingly, and let people apply for those positions based on the effort they want to put in. Men can apply for cushy jobs for low pay and women can apply for stressful job and keep a house husband, and pay based on positions and the results. Problem solved.

Will men always earn more than women because... they fight to maintain the difference in status that makes them attractive? But if women do not compete with men for their financial status, while at the same time striving to raise their own status, will they achieve the best gains and surpass them? Does this already happen? Do we witness the loss of status of these men when there is no longer any reason for their differentiated financial status to be advantageous to them?

editing my comment and removing soures as it seems it's getting deleted - hopefully not consciously

first and foremost - dr Orion, you're critizing some anecdotal piece or research, please either be clear that this is just your opinion based on your experience or point to the sources you used here. There's been quite a lot of research in that area and it's brutal - bottom line usually being there is a (corrected) big gap even in developed countries, women are far less hireable (think checking CVs and hiding gender vs seeing it) and do tonnes of unpaid labor that is big part of the cause why they have it so much worse on the job market.

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Want more numbers and are not scared how deeply this rabbit hole goes and how bad this all is? "Invisible women" by Caroline Criado-Perez

so can you provide some list of papers and perhaps meta analyses as they have been conducted that support this view?

also your hypothesis that men earn more cause they work harder, or at least partially that might be the reason - this is just wild, no we earn more cause it's so much easier for us to do so on so many levels. On the contrary - it's women who have to work harder for the same position.

As a women born in the Eastern Europe that moved for work to Western Europe, I don’t really see the discrimination there. My salary is the same as male colleagues. The work style is a bit different tho. My male friends are usually pushier and are ready to more aggressively pursue their career interests. I feel that one of the main reasons for this gap is simply a different operating style of men and women. I can only speak about myself, but I am more soft and empathetic, which also leads me to be less pushy even tho I consider myself quite ambitious. I even wonder if it has to do something with the different dominant hormones in our bodies (testosterone and estrogen). If I want to be reasonably feminine, I simply can’t be too pushy and masculine at work (I can’t shift between those two modes that easily). But I also never understood the whole discrimination hustle. I work in a male-dominated research area, and so many men simply appreciate having at least some females around them, that I never felt that someone is looking down at me. On the contrary, I find it way easier to do networking and get to know people as a female.

Liberals hate this

Haha the TLC song🙌🏻

It's the truth. Sad but true. Both men and women that think so superficially deserve each other and all the misery that will inevitably arise from these attitudes and choices. The majority of "People" are such predictable basic uninteresting apes 😂

Thanks!

Today's girls do not want to work but to get paid for just existing.

I feel the need to talk shit but doubt both my ability to bait you with a valid and intellectually compelling shot below the belt AND my will to pretty much waste enough time to do that. (All time holding a phone is a waste in my opinion). Here goes: Bro. Like....maybe I dunno...spend less time bumpin your gums. I feel like its a good thing to point out. That possibility. Youre presumed on top of that. Butcha NEVER know about ppl. At ALL. Do ya. Mmmm-hmmmm.

Thanks!

Men HAVE to, women can have good and fulfilling lives perfectly fine without earning a remarkable amount of money. For most or many women it just isn't even a factor as long as they can feed themselves... (or sometimes even less).

I would love to know how many likes and dislikes you got on this one ?

guy have to earn more due to the girl kost more.

Gender Pay Gap is a leftist lie. Just change genders 😊

Great stuff, alas I've notthat many women don't care about the truth. They're bat shit crazy in their ideologies regradless of the facts.

I found your 1% :
factor in the number of months on unpaid or reduced pay maternity leave, from total months worked (which is actually more than 1%)

good economic sense, poor relationship sense. in that "specialized" model where man gets paid more to allocate for him and the woman who makes less due to homemaking and childrearing. that makes her his low paid employee and puts in a dependable position cause he is the "bread winner" and "pays the bills". while it does work wonderfully in some couples, using it as a justification for a pay gap in 2024 is wild. this episode is in the toxic red pill-ish /andrew tate territory

Regarding to household imbalance, listen to Suzanne Venker's podcast about that. Once a family has children, even if they are no longer in diapers, things change. There is so much more to be done in the house. Men can turn off the urge to always have it all done whereas women still have a nesting instinct and even though they have multiple kids they are not geared towards cutting corners or finding ways to make home life more efficient. So families have to keep looking for women to work less once children come along instead of expecting her to keep it all going or expecting her to prioritize. Even a clean man will let the dishwasher sit a few minutes longer so he can finish a business call whereas a woman in that situation still has the nagging thought about the kitchen in the back of her mind while she is on the conference call. This is not a problem. It' s just nature at least until menopause and andropause begins. I'm still researching this so has anyone else seen any evidence of this?

Great episode. You've eloquently described thoughts that I had trouble vocalizing. I thought about sending this to my wife.

Everywhere I have worked women have consistently made the same if not more money than men. Also most women do less work than men. There were some who were humble and both worked harder and made more than men. She was a bartender and manager, and had absolutely zero sense of unjust entitlement to her. Apart from her there is an extremely small amount of women who were paid less than the men; this was usually due to experience or laziness on her work ethic. It has never been based on the idea that she is a woman only. As a matter of fact you never see companies decide to only hire women so they’re paid less. No business refuses to hire men to save money now does it?


This is a political exploitation of people taking the path of least resistance and touching on false feelings of persecution.

I have worked in factories and restaurants. The women can be social expected to do less with equal pay as a man.

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Our work is more valued because we don't get paid just for being female.

Because when a couple starts a family, the woman tends to quit work or significantly cut down hours to be home with the children. So the man picks up the slack and tends to work more. I don’t understand why so many comments need to vilify men or women. It’s literally just biology at play. The woman grows, births, nurtures and raises the babies and the man provides the financial means for that to happen. Both are equally important for a stable, functioning society. Men earn more because they are often supporting a wife and children and HAVE to work more and be more aggressive about career growth. Women earn less because they are obligated to nurture and raise small children, which is extremely hard to do around a full time job, so naturally they work less and earn less over time. Men tend to do jobs that are more physically demanding and potentially risky because they are bigger, stronger, and less risk averse than women. These jobs usually pay more because of the physical demands and risk. Men also value jobs with high pay and longer hours and potential for advancement. Women value jobs with more social engagement and caretaking (nurses, teachers, management) and jobs that are more flexible for when they have school drop off/pick up or sick kids. These kind of jobs usually pay less and have less hours.
None of this is a mystery. People just want to finger point and squabble and vilify the opposite gender for whatever reason.