Can a TRADITIONAL ARCHER Win the Olympics?

Hi Sensei, where do you get your trad horse bows from can I get a link? Also, what is the draw weight of your trad bows?

Es ist fraglos eine große Herausforderung mit einer bespannten " Latte " , auf 70 m einen Pfeil auf die Scheibe zu bringen , es braucht viel Übung aber , wenns dann hinhaut ist es das wunderbare Gefühl , etwas hinbekommen zu haben , wozu ein Profi , mehrere " Krücken " braucht .
Hab ca 46 Jahre selbst Bogenschießen betrieben , der Spaß stand dabei immer an erster Stelle und das , hat mein Leben sehr bereichert und mich Demut gelehrt . 😊

it would be cool to see a specific branch of traditional archery in the olympics though with people competing from 30-50m e.g.

plus I bet people shooting warbows, far and few between albeit, would do pretty damn good even at 70m

Hi Nu Sensei,
Just want to leave some thanks. Your videos made my start into archery much easier. Great channel .... keep it up

Greetings from Germany onto the other side of the globe

Stefan

trad bow can still out game a barebow archer at 30m . But at 50 ya maybe too hard. Hahha

Olimpic sports are a profit business, and all the gear they add again and again, is the proof. In the future, all the work is going to be done by the Bow.

I have used a 32lbs recurve at 40m and got about a 50cm wide group, adding a very cheap post sight reduced the group by about half and a compund bow around 40lbs and a better sight halved that resulting in feathers touching after a few arrows were out (I didn't use a release, this would also add some accuracy). The draw weight of the bow has a big influence as well, the 20lbs limbs I had to hold at the sky so I didn't even see the rings. I still had to hold high with the 32lbs but still could see the rings and adjust to center, but with a 60lbs compound you can hold it horizontal at 40m. The gear makes a lot of difference, but so does the archer. Some people can't hit at 40m no matter what.

I'd love to see hit or miss archery at 100-300m in the olympics

DUDE! Can you not watch your own video and see how much movement there is in your shots?

Skill is skill

Aaahh excellent timing, yesterday I started shooting 50 meters with my barebow, so it's really nice to hear you talk about some of my own questions 😄

Cue a random little happy new-hobby-rant, ignore if you're not in the mood: I've only actually started archery this year, messing about in my garden for six months self-taught, and I joined a club two months ago - I didn't realise I had a knack for it until I had some really established people at the club gawking over my progress. I mastered the 20 meter in one week, 30 in two, and I've been shooting 40 for a month now. I already managed to get my first two official Archery GB classifications (UK), and I want to get my Archer First Class now, and I need to shoot 50 meters or yards for that! I really want to become a Bowman this calender year (I don't care what Class within the Tier, I just think it sounds so cool). It's really nice to find something new you love to do and are apparently really good at 35 years old! ☺️ I just got some money as a birthday gift for a better bow, so I might see if I can get one that also allows for a sight so I can try recurve properly too. I'm just so excited about all this haha!

Alle olympischen Disziplinen wurden aufgrund ihrer weltweiten Verbreitung ausgewählt . sobald traditioneller Bogensport zum Publikumsmagneten wird kann wie beim Fußball auch Sponsoring Werbung und marketing ..... ? Wilst du das?

Traditional archery can look badass depending on the activity, movie or video game. Olympic archery on the other hand, looks really nerdy for beta males.

Great stuff!

And then there's the compound with tension releases & such... The accuracy, power and ease of learning is just leagues above any traditional bow. I'm happy to group consistently (<8") at 35 yards with my longbow or recurve. But I'm every bit as good or better with a compound at 50 yards. And the amount of penetration on target is unmatched.

Is it me or does every shot with a thumb release show a spine issue? They all seem to leave the bow nock right (weak). While they all land on-target with field points, that kind of flight can cause all kinds of funkiness downrange with broadheads. Have you tested broadhead flight with the Eastern style?

Kind of similar vibes of the curious divide between modern olympic fencing and HEMA. A sport of precision vs a history of practicalities.

Those results with an asiatic bow are impressive, I shoot asiatic bows from time to time and find the thumb draw to be probably the most unforgiving technique I've encountered so far in archery. At the moment I shoot mostly compound, often get the comments about how it is easier, which it is if you are looking to get the same results as with instinctive/bare bow archery, but when competing against other compound archers in competition where the top spots are often not so far apart, you come to realise that it has its own challenges, and the challenge is what makes it fun in my opinion.

I like to see an unaided category. I shoot a Gillo Ghost (62") regularly at 3m~120m+.

Just use a crossbow bro

I did not read every comment but. As an Archery educator I feel like practicing safety is as important as teaching safety, two people walked down range while you were shooting.

Possible but as hard as winning the lottery(if not worse).

It seems like someone at the olympic commitee or another bow shooting related organisation wants the competition to be held at a distance that is way outside the effective range of any bow that is not equipt with sights and stabilizers.
What you describe shows that at such a distance no matter how good the shooter is precision falls due to the nature of the human-bow system. hence why these koreans shoot at a two meter target for that distance.
So the question is: why not shoot at a closer distance with less technology in play. This comparison might come across as weird, but the olympic javelin does not come with a rocket booster and a guidance system to arificially increase its range. Why has the modern longbow to be so accessoirized?

Your bow shooting skills are pretty impressive. I'm relatively new to this and shoot european traditional longbow. Nice to see the asian technique in action and at such long range to. I just start to hit a target at maybe 20m consistantly.

You can't say modern archery isn't easier than traditional. If you had the same archer shoot at 50 with a traditional bow and a modern bow with all it's bells and whistles, the modern bow will have tighter groups. That obvious example aside, modern bows and their stabilizers and clickers take off a lot of the "multitasking" involved in traditional archery. It legitimately IS easier to shoot a modern bow...

I've hit bullseye 4x with my medieval English Longbow at 30 meters so far, hope to do it one day at 70+ meters. Even I use my English longbow I use the same techniques Olympic Archers string against my nose and part of my hand under my chin. You might do better, with a longbow it be great if you get 6 arrows in a bulls eye at 500 meters

no they cant

Cut the bullshit sensei you are not an archerys arse hole

Even famous archers like Howard Hill we're shooting at very close ranges.

TLDR: People complaining about sniper rifles having too many bells and whistles bompared to their brown bess.

Would really love to try to shoot long distances like 50 and 70lbs with my Asiatic bow. The problem is, I know I'm gonna keep missing, and arrows are expensive so I'm still here at 30 with some additional foams surrounding the target in case I shoot badly. Losing or breaking an arrow would mean breaking my heart and my wallet.

There are 3 other issues that Olympic Archery needs more equipments: 1) sponsorship, 2) sponsorship, 3) sponsorship. If they shorten the distance and put a new category for your homemade woodstick, how can they milk from those newbies' pockets?

Question is, can you hit the target on a galloping horse?

Let's be honest, with all the doohickeys in modern Olympic archery, I'm surprised it hasn't converted to compound bows like they do in the para Olympics.

Well.... Shall we ask Koreans? I mean, for both modern and traditional one lol

I just came back to archery after years away. I was a proficient archer with a compound bow at 40m. With 5 years away I still performed well at 18.5 a few days ago, first time picking up a compound bow in 5 years. Until February this year I hadn't touched a bow since my lat compound bow, and because I'm a little crazy I have returned, but with a desire to shoot traditional bows. That went even further recently, I have moved onto horsebows, because, why not? I can get a good vertical grouping, but my ability to pick the hold over/under is still way off. Seems to be, as you said, an anchoring issue. But I am confident I'll be shooting majority 10 rings within a month or two. But I never plan to be an Olympian, I am happy to just shoot 20-30 metres well, good fun for myself.

Basically archers nowadays aren’t good enough without all those aid they use , I wanna see just a basic bow in the Olympics and not all those high tech aids

Traditional archery was used for generations to hunt for food. What they dont tell you is how much food we missed back then 😅

These modern archers have more tools than a surgeon.😅

As a long time archer it makes me very nervous to see people cross the shooting line while you are still firing arrows. It's one of the first things you teach new archers that this line is sacred and nobody crosses it if someone has an arrow plugged into their bow/nobody plugs an arrow into their bow when someone is still out there towards the targets.
I understand that missed shots (especially that far off) are very rare amongst experienced archers and if a group of archers agrees on different rules and is willing to risk it, they may do so, but it sets a very bad example for new archers to show this in your videos, since it is a major safety concern.

Honestly, if you were always shooting at 70 metres, at a target of the size used, you'd probably be able to compete. Everyone I am seeign talk about this is similar to you, they shoot much shorter distances. Train it for 6 months or so, and see how well you do

FITA is cheating, Of course it is not cheating relative to the other archers, since they all play by the same rules. But FITA removes key skill from the equasion, so in a sense they are not actually shooting archery. Huh?

So the big problem with archery is you need to have one point of reference, or though, and you have to stack the other issues so they are kinda automated. So the big three are: Pulling through the shot; initiating through to follow through of the release; and aiming. So back before the 2000s and the rise of the Koreans, and maybe nothing has changed, the way one stacked these three, to greatest success was to focus only on drawing through the shot, and let the other factors just happen. The way you do that is you concentrate on the action of the draw, and allow the release to be triggered by the fall of the clicker, and the sighting to be simplified to the point where the target size, and sight element can center on the target by the natural tendency of the eye to center concentric circles or find the greatest transfer of light. So the technology in the sight element essentially eliminate conscious aiming and releasing. This is taken to an even higher technical plane with compounds where mechanical released that are triggered by back tension are used and sophisticated sights.

Some other stuff like stabilization, adjustments for perfect fit, sophisticated rests, etc... are just optimizations, they don't eliminate the need to do archery, they just refine things. But in particular, the clicker eliminated a key skill, or ability that is part of archery. So a more rational question would be how do Olympic champions perform at real archery?

Another way that Olympic archery fakes it is that it is done with impractically light bows, and on stationary targets. Light bows are not unheard of for historic hunting, whether because the archer snuck up to nearly a distance where they could reach out and touch the deer, or because the archer used poison. But in general I would imagine fairly powerful bows were used, for martial or hunting purposes.

The other Olympic fake is that most of martial and hunting archery is on moving targets. Even modern hunting largely ignores this. There is an aphorism somewhere in Confucius where he says, as far as I recollect it, "One would no more do X, than one would shoot a bird on the ground". Indicating that when hunting for birds one would flush them and shoot them out of the air. This being before guns. Other examples are shooting off horseback possibly at targets also on horseback. But modern archery, which has many kinds of competition, does not shoot at moving targets, other than occasional novelty targets, as far as I know. And certainly the Olympic does not. And it is sorta too bad. They got rid of the 1440 round, they could have replaced it with something a lot more visual.

The Olympics in Paris did a poor job by showing the distance. that havent felt like 70m.

What I don't understand: Why do you pull the arrow to the jaw angle? Why not to the eye? Aiming is much easier if you pull the arrow to the eye.

The amount of people in this comment section that didn't watch/listen to the entire video is baffling.

A trad archer might not beat an Olympic archer using a longbow/trad recurve. However hand him an 68" Olympic bow with clickers, kisser buttons and sights (and a few hundred arrows to figure out the bow's quirks) and he might give the Olympic archer a good run for his money. Which is less often the case the other way around. It's a case of apples and oranges, but they're kinda both fruit. The way i see it, with trad you celebrate the hits whereas in Olympic you get pissed about the misses, so it's two different mentalities altogether!

But is a modern recurve bow better or equal to a traditional recurve bow? In the video instead I understood that for the Olympic bow there is a big difference compared to the traditional recurve bow.
Also can a modern recurve bow be used in competitions where there are other archers who use traditional recurve bows? Thanks for your videos. I am following them with pleasure.