INTPs - Observing Dueling Realities?!?!

I've just spoken to my psych about this a few days ago, it can be a great "tool" I find to be able to recognise what is "rational" and what isn't. It can too be incredibly exhausting when you lose control of which side is "in charge". The balance is hard, but either way Eric best of luck in the future mate.

You can analyze personality theory, or you can go read a book. The latter would probably be more productive. OR, you can read a book ABOUT personality theory lol.
This is the tension between the dominant Ti and the demon Fi, I think. The demon Fi function wants to completely take over and burn down the world (think about the Joker). There can be some health in learning to use the demon function in a healthy way, I certainly have learned to use it. But I have also noticed that the more I learn to use the Fi, the more easily I use my Ti.
I think that this may apply to everyone differently. Take another type and you will find the same struggle between different functions.
But yeah, us INTPs and ISTPs have it weird because it is a struggle between our own emotions and desires and what is logically and philosophically sound.
But then again, each type is going to say that it is strange, so the previous statement doesn't amount to much. The same way that I do not understand the tension between the ENFP's Ne and Se, no other type besides the INTPs and ISTPs will understand the tension between Ti and Fi the same way.

What you describe is all part of being a person imo. Some people process things differently but I think it's good to be able to take a step back and evaluate free from the side influenced by the pain that shapes your emotional reality, and helps to keep things more objective.

You are right to fully come to terms with something you have to live with it you have to accept it. Like it or not, harsh or soft, truth is truth. I believe it is in our nature to have knee jerk reactions to things, built into us, but the thing we need to remember is that we must use the tools we have to ascend past the base influence of the pain the distress.

But we also can't fully neglect our emotional selves either. That reality is real to that side and that side is part of our whole selves. To neglect any part of one's self is to do just that and it creates a new tension you may even begin to loathe yourself for any number of reasons so you just can't do that.

You have to find a balance to be able to let that pain go in a way that doesn't disregard your feelings but isn't destructive to either yourself or those around you. You are always right when it comes to you but that doesn't mean it's simple. You can change your mind, you can feel differently, and sometimes you can be right about being wrong and you had it right the first time haha. Everything is nuanced everything is biased by your own lens that you perceive the world with so your answers probably will never be the exact same for anything.

I too was layed off with a company I didn't plan to leave. My job was to caption what I heard over the phone when a hard of hearing person was calling or getting a call from someone else. In this way they could read what was being said if they couldn't hear.

My job was made obsolete by technology although we held out due to the heavy and varied accents not being easily decipherable by automated systems until I believe Google had made something that could caption just as well as our best human captioner could consistently and for a fraction of the cost.

Naturally the company went under and we couldn't get any work to tide us over either and with the notice we had gotten some 2 months before going under completely we were not given any kind of severance. I didn't know what I would do either. I had moved to accommodate going to work on a daily basis. The area was actually pretty expensive even for the cheapest of housing/apartments.

Before termination I had started work from home due to the covid epidemic and I knew that I would like something WFH again and I eventually found a job through indeed that would allow me to do that.

None of that is really important but I kinda get where you are coming from. Move forward with the best of intentions and treat yourself well. You may have to live in pain for now but it's all part of the process, it is not forever even if you tell yourself that it is. You will be happy again it's inevitable.

I definitely relate to this. For me, it's that the mind over matter mindset and compartmentalizing has limitations, but those are my only coping mechanisms so the limits are painful and frustrating. My therapist said that I have some sort of dissociative disorder, I got too busy and stopped seeing her, but I think that fits for me.

I can see many realities, all in both harmony and competition with one another, yet each existing independently and interdependently. It gets problematic when the truths of your realities don’t line up. That’s the root of nurture-based mental illness , in my wholly amateur opinion.

For example, I’ve always had a fundamental problem with the institutions and power structures that define our reality. I’ve been in favor of revolution since I was young. Yet, I happen to work in one of the industries that I most dislike/distrust. And I don’t hate the work. It used to eat away at me. I don’t know whether I’ve come to terms with it, or if I’ve somehow rationalized it. I’m trying to get to some logical conclusion here but struggling. Basically, contradiction bad for over thinkers. Something something roles exist. Insert yin-yang here. As above, so below.

i am so sorry, to hear that,,🙏🙏🙏😭😭
you will find sollutions🙏

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You explained it well. This does happen to me too and I feel like I’m insane sometimes. Also sometimes people ask me a question or for an opinion and I cannot answer because there are too many responses that flood into my mind at the same time, that I don’t know what to say cause they are contradictory answers.

I've never heard anyone explain this before but I do also have this experience. It's not always when I am suffering. Sometimes I get really interested in certain things purely because they spark my interest and then my rational side is like you know deep down we know this isn't real but the other side is like ok yes but it makes me feel good from time to time so why can't we just accept that and enjoy it and stop questioning and rationalising everything, even though that is my default mode.

Wishing you luck! ✌️

When I think about what it means to be an INTP (for me), the things that are unique for me compared to other MBTI types, it comes down to this difference in the way we observe reality. Where I feel that as INTPs we are constantly observing, reflecting, rationalising. Like you mentioned, we can feel that the 'emotional' reality also exists, and we can see others experience that reality. We never really experience a complete take-over from that emotional reality, even though we see it in others. But: you explain this as INTPs observing both realities (the rational and the emotional), whereas all others would only live in one. That's a tricky thought, because it could make us feel superior to others (the ones that only experience 'one reality'). And I don't think it is true. I think we should look at it more as a horizontal line or spectrum (the Ti - Te spectrum basically). There is one reality, but you can look at it in a rational or in an emotional way. People in the middle of the Ti - Te spectrum would observe both versions equally. People in the Te section have a more emotional outlook, and in the Ti section rationality reigns. We are definitely in that Ti part of the spectrum. But there is no 'correct' way to look at reality, no ultimate truth, and both rational and emotional thoughts should be equally valued by us.

Very relatable. So INTP of you to see these two realities and then step back from them both into a third!

And don't stress about losing your job. Life will get better. Unless Gateway was the job you've been dreaming about since you were 5...if that's the case, it's okay to have two dreams!

Sorry to hear that man. Take some time off and reset, it will help heaps. For multiple realities look up Internal Family Systems, it's a psych theory that talks about this and how they fit together.

I lately start to observe how you can kinda integrate this dualism into one. It came to me after i was seeing how much struggle i make to myself out of letting me go these autopilots not putting effort to my other side what is the side what knows what i really want. What helped me is when i had a realization, how much a clusterfuck politics can be. It opened up my mind to the fact I spend effort on this purely because of some unsolved part of my more emotional side. Now i can in a sense be more inside this blissful ignorance. Have things my way in both heart and mind :D

Related to the topic I do think you're talking about Carl Jung's unconscious and subconscious (and applying CS Joseph's "Super Ego") which affects the cognitive function stacking

You might want to talk about that on your next video...this is for the sake of content so...here my mind pops on to you.

Start a second more common channel that goes viral and make the your primery source of income but keep this one for the real stuff. I liked that you sounded annoyed, bothered when stating "need to get examined", i know right?, feelings... such a drag sometimes.

It's hard to tell without an example, but I feel like this phenomenon you are describing is just called emotions vs reasoning. Sometimes emotions tell you something that you can't see using just reasoning, and other times reasoning can help calm emotions that are unreasonable. Listen to both, and each to examine the other.

To help explain I'll go through an example. I'm not trying to imply that this example fits to you, but it's a theoretical example of how someone might respond from being fired from a job in terms of emotions and reason, and then a synthesis of the two.

An example might be this:
Reasoning: I don't have a job anymore. I need money. I should find a new job.
Emotions: I was betrayed by this company. Will I be able to find another job? Will they betray me again? If I just don't get a job I won't get betrayed like this again.

Synthesis: I acknowledge that I need a job, but I'm also hurt scared and confused, which makes it too painful to go out and start looking for another job right away. I need to take some time to cool down and process these emotions. And the once you bring to light that you feel betrayed, and afraid that you will be betrayed again, you might be able to reason that maybe it wasn't anything personal. Maybe the company was just needing to cut costs, and you were the unlucky one. And then maybe you realize that companies aren't out to betray you, and hopefully it will become easier to look for another job.

Yes. I see this with my nephew 2. I always try to shut my mouth. But when I go no filter. Damn bro. So much esoteric knowlegde but also the otherside pours.

Oh man You still alive hehe
You grew up .. I haven't seen your video in years
Anyways I hope you get a new job

You should check out a book called The untethered soul by Michael Singer. I haven't finished it yet myself, so not sure what direction it will go into, but there's quite some part about exactly this struggle in your head while you're actually just busy observing it.

Neglecting the like emotional side really fucked me up and i wish i would have just dealt with it then

Hmmm...I think i call it something different. Like nature/reality vs love or heaven maybe? Where I want to love unnconditionally and be aware of others needs before my own but it is impossible because earthly nature works the other way around where it is self indulgent and self focused first and only cares about survival both physical and emotional, but like you said in a song, it is not my will and not what i want, i am simply trapped inside this body that works that way and the more i try to survive the more my heart freezes instead of softening.

Not sure if this is what you meant but with different words? Lol
Spare me though, i am an infp xD

What if gravity is just a speed.
If you are intp think and answer it please.

Your two sided observation thing happens to me constantly, except instead of two sided I have to say multi-sided or something. For me, it's so fascinating to be able to hold onto a huge bunch of observations all at once, but it has a big downside if I'm with friends or a group of people gathered for a q&a after a TED type talk or, you know, at a schoolboard meeting where input is requested...

I'm deeply introverted, but not shy, so I will contribute to the discussion... Downside is that I'm often not sure which facet of my observation is going to come out of my mouth until it does. I know whatever I do say is also being thought by a few of the other people in the room, but I also know that most of the people in the room have been jolted by whatever I said, since the "winning observatiin" I've spoken out loud is rarely the "popular, commonly expressed, expected observation."

...so... I often say nothing when I really want to say something that seems important that would add depth to the discussion.

Makes stress for me either way...whether I add my comments or withhold my comments. LOL. Yep.

I definitely relate to this! I've always associated it with logical vs emotional responses. I feel like the two have always been separate and warring with each other in my head, especially when I have to make a decision about something or something unexpected happens.

I was 15 last time i was here, im 19 now :p

I wanted to see how mbti and mah eriq doin. Looking good and brainy as usual u.u

Yeah its a war between your limbic system which is responsible for emotion and behaviour and the pre frontal cortex where your reasoning and decision making comes from.

Most of the time I think the limbic system is just confused and sends all kinds of weird signals because it can't actually see reality for what it is so it lives in its own reality. But its what controls us mostly. (It came before the pre frontal cortex)

There is some interesting science here. Im not a neuroscientist. Maybe some one can correct me on this lol.

Bro lost his job and is breaking down realities 💀

Yeah I was a bit confused with your explanation of it at first, but I think I understand what you meant. I do this thing where I reflect back on something I did or felt recently and I'll connect it to a feeling and be like "Oh, so that affects me like this, so it's probably this, good to know" and also, when I'm stressed like I was couple days ago, I unconsciously go into a monotone and very quiet way of speaking, and being very irritable. I recognized very easily that I was stressed, tried to come to multiple possible conclusions as to why (I knew one reason for sure but I felt it was irrational for just that to make me as stressed as I was, especially considering the issue was already resolved and there was no reason to be stressed which I found interesting), and trying to calm my nerves.. so in a way I separate myself from how I feel, understand that I feel it, and try to get out of that bad headspace.. all simultaneously, so if that's what you were meaning, I completely get it

Heya! I don't know if you've heard of vultology but I couldn't help but type you (according to that system). While you do have Ti, it looks like your Ne is dominant. Meaning you're likely an NeTi (ENTP).

Do you chew Gum Eric?