Is the Entwistle 1959 "Burst"...Fraudulent? (Part 2)

the knob spacing looks off right away

It's highly likely that John's original guitar body was ''accidently'' smashed, obliterated and ''burst into pieces'' in a blind wanton frenzy of destruction on stage, so much of their equipment was. John had to make some hard choices and was left to literally pick up the pieces... John possibly had the guitar rebuilt, using the original pieces, this is hard to prove but highly probable, given the remaining evidence!

I have a left hand Derrig, commisioned by my father for my 21st. There is no way i would swap it for any Gibson. I know it's not real, but who cares. I certainly don't.

Ever find fake ones that were made in Gibson shop?

Fun fact. It’s actually a bass!

I have no doubt that it's the original 1959 .... chibson...

You said there are capacitors with the pots, they're resistors.

Directors note: it would’ve been nice to actually have an example of an original 59 Gibson versus just saying not like the original over and over. I’m sure you’re right but for the viewer it would’ve been really cool to actually see the differences between the two instruments.

I was reading an article that Ed Roman built guitars for Entwistle.
As you know Ed Roman was notorious for rebuilding and faking Les Pauls.
Perhaps this Les Paul is one Ed Roman got his hands on?

The guitar's shape is a dead give away, I have a few chinese gibsons and they look way better than that

I’m literally begging you and all content creators: when you are speaking/narrating, we DO NOT NEED BACKGROUND MUSIC!

Playe amd loojs better than a 59, but s scree isnt in yhr right place so not as valuable. Boomers are insane.

There are people who would pay a half a million for a Les Paul with Chibson inlaid on the headstock if there was enough documentation that Entwistle played, owned, praised and had the guitar in his collection.

The total of sunburst Les Pauls that Gibson made in 1959 was 1,406. of these only about 7000 of them have survived.

did you get this from tundra music ed mcdonald? i live in toronto i can update you if you in fact did

The knob placement gave it away for me right away!

I had a gretsch that was over 11 pounds that sucker was so heavy that I got rid of it cause it gave me back problems. Heavy guitars are not fun.

I'd heard a few years ago that this guitar from John Entwhistle's collection was thought as not being a legitimate 59 Burst from Vic DaPra, a very well-known collector and authority on vintage Gibson guitars.

a LINK to part one would be nice

So what did it sell for?

It's a shame that lots of vintage guitars are fake. I've never seen a 59 burst in person, but a friend of mine who is a professional guitar expert, a couple years back picked up a genuine 52 gold top. Yes, the first year, complete with its original "California lady" Gibson case for $500. Yeah, that's not a typo. Five hundred dollars. Original P90's, everything. I've played it. It's unreal.

Why didn’t you show us the tendon? And actually show us the neck and fretboard radius? Measure the pickup cavity? My guess is, it’s a 70s LP someone put all those parts on and refinished, when did John get the guitar?

Chinese builders:
“Write that down, write that down!”

..turns out, it's a Chibson!🤣💥🤛

Paul's god a Lefty, .. likely Fake

I wonder whether, if you looked over an other John's guitar - a '50s 325 - you might conclude it's not a true Rick? Might this 'Gibson', like that Rick, was a prototype?

I wonder if any of this guitar was a recovered Pete Townshend modification. He did modify quite a few guitars on stage, might even be an original neck.

I wish they would open up a real 59 do a side by side to show us the difference

Surprised John's band mate Pete who is a Les Paul guy didn't offer his opinion to John ???

Keep in mind the owner was over intoxicated, overdosing on Cocaine, and banging a hooker in Vegas when he dropped...

Buying and playing these for over 50 years I could see it was fake the second you opened the case. Anyone that has been in this business this long can recognize a fake in their sleep. The top gives it away without having to look any further. You guys better be careful with these. I am happy to give a second opinion if you would like...

90% of the vintage market over 15$ grand are fakes.

It shows you the consistency of Gibson manufacturing in the 50s. Cant duplicate the work Probably manufactured cloned by a English man in the 50s.

It's important to remember that the word "vintage" is nothing more than a marketing word that sounds more impressive than just, "old".
That's the simple fact.* If something is old, it won't sell as well or for as high a price as if the same item is marked as "vintage".
But I do appreciate the importance of preserving some pristine examples of things from the past that can not be replaced, and represent something
important from that period of time it is from. That's history. But as such, all that is needed for guitars and amps that are old and have real historic significance,
we only need a few examples to represent what that is, and they should be in protected and displayed in museums.
But the vast majority of vintage gear, if it truly does have value more than just its age - or because of its age, those items should be kept in proper working order
(with some respect for their age) however that needs to be. They should be played! A guitar that is not being played is nothing more than a chunk of wood
with wires doing nothing more than getting older. Instruments are only instruments if they are making music.
A '54 or '55 gold top Les Paul that has been beat to heck, but still plays well, to me, is far more valuable as the instrument it was meant to be compared to a pristine example, an icon of what that model was for its historic value.
So the one in this video, it turns out, wasn't actually even a legitimate item. But - the owner loved it and enjoyed it, played it and held it in high regard.
Some may scoff at that and deride it as "fake". Maybe so. But that only matters to persnickety collectors, not to real players.
I can't help but think back to the early 80's when smart players were buying up the Tokai LP Standards instead of the 'real' Gibson models because they
were light-years better and way less expensive as well.
Also, the best-of-the-best players wielding priceless examples that have been modified or altered in some way, I have far more respect for those instruments than the ones that are pristine because they haven't had a note played on them or even seen the light of day in decades.


*(there is slightly more to it, but not enough to really matter much)

give you $500 for it

Rick Nielsen worked with Entwistle on the Bass Culture book. He had to know it wasn't authentic...

It didn’t sound like he fully understood what the dealer was telling him

What a bummer. The owner seems cool about it though.

wen do you think the first copies wer made? im thinking the mid 80s?

perhaps an early les paul junior conversion..??

I own an Ampeg J-12T re-issue that supposedly was a part of John Entwistle's collection. I assume it's "John Voight's car"; but I CHOOSE to believe that it belonged to John Entwistle.

Real worth 250$. All above is collectors bullshit.

I remember getting a call at around 3:am one morning. It was Peter "Max" Baranet coked up & demanding I sell him some real vintage PAF's. I lied & said I didn't have any, but he wouldn't take no for an answer. He knew I collected & finally I got off the phone. He made some amazing guitars & that guitar could be one made by Pete.

Even as a fake, the fact that John loved on it and had it in his collection...not to mention the documentation...and it sounds so incredibly good, I think someone would be happy to have this in their collection

Maybe not a high 5-figure or low 6-figure guitar, but price out the parts and the quality of the build and see who bites 🤷🏼‍♂️

The guitar may have been just another cheap pawn shop guitar that Pete Townsend was supposed to play the final number of the set on, and then wreck on stage for promotion photos. The guitar techs probably got it up and running with the hardware from their "parts bin". Maybe John noodled on it back stage, liked it, and asked if he could keep it instead of Pete wrecking it? Pete's reply was. "Oh OK, I'll smash up another fake Tele then". This scenario sounds more logical to me. imho.

Its not a burst. Its a substitute.

..and thats why you guys make the big bucks. Interesting that guitar still has to be old, and that there was incentive enough to copy a burst from that era even before the prices went exponential.

would’ve been more interesting if you took a real one apart next to it and showed what the various wrongneses are actually supposed to look like, in parallel comparisons

I own a 60 sg juniir. I can see that the body is fake!! How was this ever approved??