Комментарии:
Use your common sense. Jesus is not God.
ОтветитьJesus said , the world will hate you as they hated me before
ОтветитьAre you superior than you father?
ОтветитьHe is god , but not Almighy God(Jeovah)
ОтветитьLORD JESUS was begotten meaning Jesus came from within Jehovah.
Begotten means Jesus was Existing within God not created from nothing.
Let me remind you he was calling out to his father when he was about to die.
So if he is God to which God the father was he calling out to??just as there is a difference between a human son and his father its the same with Jesus and his father.
In conclusion Jesus is not God he is only the son of God.
This is really one of the most fundamentally logical and definitive arguments against the concept of the trinity I've ever pondered upon, in my humble opinion:
GOD cannot die. GOD cannot sin. No Christian from any legit domination would deny those two statements.
So, if Jesus were actually GOD, then he couldn't have died for us, and Satan tempting him was just a farce and had no meaning at all.
The fact that Jesus, the Son of God, "could have" sinned, but despite great temptation, pain, humiliation, hatred, scorn and torture, he still remained faithful to God, to the point of ACTUALLY LOSING HIS LIFE, is exactly why his life was qualified to be the ransom price that could be paid on our behalf to buy back what Adam, also a perfect man, lost for us.
Only a "perfect man" could offset the failure of the only other "perfect man", by proving that such a man could remain faithful to God, no matter what. GOD could not have done this, because he's GOD. And for anyone balking at the idea that there is something that God "can't do", we all know that He cannot lie, He cannot die, and He cannot be tempted; and by virtue of those 3 things, God could Not have paid the ransom price for our sins.
Only by virtue of the fact that Jesus was NOT God, is what qualified him to be able to pay the ransom in the first place.
Romans 5:19 "For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous." Notice also that "obedience" was required of Jesus. To whom would Jesus need to be obedient to if not to God? GOD doesn't need to be "obedient" to anybody! "Obedient" is a very subservient word; Not a word that could possibly be used to describe Almighty God.
On another note, I don't think that most people who believe in the trinity have any idea of it's history, how it only STARTED to be church doctrine about 200 years after the death of the apostles, and how a pagan Roman emperor made the decision to do so... just sayin.
Just do a test with the Prayer in Matthew.
If Jesus was God and, the Holy Spirit...
Just imagine that he will pray to himself for himself with another self of himself.
"Holy Trinity" The model of christianism that we see in The New Testament... is inexistant in the primitive christianism.
Christianity and christianism are not the same at all..
To be a Christian, you have to be a follower of Jesus:
Imitate the morals of a perfect model, Jesus.
Christianity was created by a pagan Emperor. He mixted his Roman pagan practices with teaching of The Bible.
Never, the Catholic Church, for example, did follow The Word of God.
Our Father is against paganism.
Jesus can be God?
Is God Immortal?
How could he die?
Ughh😫 It's hard to take it in because you're talking way too fast. Wish you would do this video over and talk much slower so people can take time to comprehend. I say that in love, because maybe you didn't realize how it sounds to others.
ОтветитьJohn 14:28
"The father is greater than I"
Matthew 7:21-23:
Not everyone who says to me,
'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my
Father who is in heaven.
On that day many will say to me,
*Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them,
'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
It is not the eyes that are blind.. It is your hearts.
Our Heavenly Father is the One True Almighty.
Jehova Witness was created by a Freemason. Obviously, they are going to change something.
Ответить👑🇭🇹🕎♾️✡️🎻🎹👩❤️👨🌇🧑🏽💻🤵🏽♂️👰🏽♀️👨🏽✈️👩🏽✈️👩🏽🏫👩🏼🎓🕌🏩🏬💂🙏🏽💞👸🏽💞 LONG LIVE THE MOTHER OF YAHWEH WHO BRINGS US ENERGY ON THE EARTH !🌎🌍🌏🙏🏽💂🏬🏩🕌👩🏼🎓👩🏽🏫👩🏽✈️👨🏽✈️👰🏽♀️🤵🏽♂️🧑🏽💻🌇👩❤️👨🎹🎻✡️♾️🕎🇭🇹👑
ОтветитьJWs - If this happens again, what will you do?
In 1929, a ten-bedroom mansion in San Diego, California was constructed. It was given the name of "Beth Sarim" ("House of Princes"), and was built in anticipation of various resurrected Old Testament biblical patriarchs or prophets such as Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah and Samuel. It was maintained by the Jehovah's Witnesses, and was also used as a winter home and executive office for JW president Rutherford.
The prediction did not happen, and the house was sold to a private owner in 1948.
Now -- The JW leaders have officially declared that, "The Governing Body is neither inspired nor infallible. Therefore, it can err in doctrinal matters or in organizational direction."
So - If your JW "leaders" announced in the next publication that they had received "new light" and predicted a NEW date for the return of the princes and bought a huge mansion TODAY to house them - What would you do?
Since they have admitted that they can err in both doctrinal matters or in organizational direction, do you simply accept and believe and not give any thought or question to this and have no problem with it at all?
OR, do you pause and say, "Hmmm...No. No, I think this is one of those times when they're wrong"?
Which one would/will you do?
Don't say, "I would believe it because God appointed them - They're the f&ds." That doesn't work. That title is something the GB appropriated for themselves. The ONLY reason JWs believe their "leaders" are the f&ds is because the JW "leaders" have told them they are. That's all there is to it.
If I wanna learn about jws I'll ask one. Not some no it all mean hateful dude
ОтветитьI agreed simply Jesus always exalted his Father because Jesus follows the 5th commandments, Honour thy Father and your Mother.Philippians 2:10-11 All humankind bow down and worship Jesus.
ОтветитьDidn't watch the video but I'm a JW. Ask me anything
ОтветитьJesus died, had to be resurrected. Jesus dying and he being sent to die shows he was created . God cannot die . Therefore he can’t be human. Jesus was a perfect man not God almighty. Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.
Ответитьi was raised a JW. i would’ve done more research if i were you. You were right about most things, blatantly wrong about others. So blatant that it’s almost disingenuous. But given that you’re not a JW or really truly invested in learning about their teachings i can see why you’d misinterpret or misunderstand some of their teachings.
The 144,000 is where you really funked up their beliefs. Those who die aren’t stuck in limbo or anything like that. They’re dead. Dead dead. Remember what it was like before you were born? Just like that. Awaiting resurrection after armageddon. Once they’re resurrected (and tested once more) earth will be returned to a garden of edenesque paradise. where those who aren’t apart of the 144,000 will live eternally in paradise.
They believe that god and jesus are separate beings yes. The father AND the son. The holy spirit is part of god himself. Which from my readings of multiple translations of the bible pans out simply as a difference in interpretation.
They still follow the teachings of Christ. They just don’t think he’s god himself. They believe jesus is the first born, most loyal of gods angels. who was sent down as a prophet. It’s just a different interpretation of the same 2000 year old fairytale.
At the end of the day, christian or not. Christianity as a whole is just a bunch of fairytale nonsense.
I've known the JW's were not Christians, but I've never had a conversation with one until just a few minutes ago. It was with a man I met on a dating site. Haha! I'm always cautious about those who choose the "Christian/other" category, because typically they are "other". Which is exactly what I discovered during our conversation on the phone.
He's not a practicing JW anymore, but he still holds their teachings high. He even commented on how he almost became an elder or whatever they call their elder type leaders? And wow was he upset when I was trying to explain to him why the JW's are not a Christian denomination. I already knew I was dealing with a narcissistic character (always talking about himself, rarely asking me any questions to get to know me), so I had little hope of even being able to get word in with the differences between JW's and true Christianity.
However, once I stated that the God of the Bible is a Triune God, he lost it at that point. Haha! Actually, it's not funny. I feel bad for him. Satan has him blinded (2 Cor 4:4) I believe cults like the JW's and the Mormon's cater to egos, because they feed the performance driven person. Even though they try to claim they know they're not saved by their works, they refuse to acknowledge the doctrine of their church teaches they have a requirement to fulfill in order to be considered "worthy".
It's so sad that they would rather choose a yoke of bondage over the true yoke of peace from Jesus our Savior, God and King. I'm glad I found this video. It will help me better if there's ever another conversation with him, or someone else. I doubt I will be talking with "him" again. My prayers will certainly be with him.
Just subscribed❤❤ 🙏 🙏
ОтветитьI'm Christian and Jw's is a cult in my opinion.
(You don't have to agree with me this is just my opinion)
Who is King James and what authority does he have over any version of scripture before his version was published?
ОтветитьThis guy studied the history books without studying the bible.
* Following our family traditions is like insulting god.
* Majority of our forefathers did not follow the bible.
* Most of the christian relegions changed the 2nd command.
(Exodus 20:4
You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth.5 You must not bow down to them nor be enticed to serve them, for I, Jehovah your God, am a God who requires exclusive devotion, bringing punishment for the error of fathers upon sons, upon the third generation and upon the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing loyal love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.)
Traditional christianity=Pagan christianity
ОтветитьJw only wrong point is that they think christ was michael.. The rest is correct...
ОтветитьSorry.. But you are wrong... Jesus is not a lier... He was equal to god because god spirit was upon him to do his divine will
ОтветитьGet a group of Bible literalists together and they will beat each other with their bibles.
ОтветитьDang you have so many Jdubbs in your comments section lol. You must have really angered them.
ОтветитьNot sure where you got your research from so can you point where the JW’s believed Jesus was coming back in 1914? Look forward to your answer!
ОтветитьThey are Satanic/Demonic' little Antichrist' heretic's
ОтветитьDuring the presentation it was mentioned the “ Miss use of a miss interpretation “ ?
You said it, just replay to refresh.
That is oxymoronic???
Traditional Christians were those in the first century. Paul foretold that an apostasy was coming. What you call traditional Christians are the result of that apostasy. First century Christians did not worship a trinity, they did not celebrate any holidays except for observing the anniversary of the Lord's supper.
Jehovah's Witnesses are Christians in that they recognize Christ as being the reigning king of God's established kingdom and they try to imitate Christ in their daily lives. A Christian by definition is a follower of Christ.
You did not mention that after the 144,000 go to heaven that the rest of the faithful are living on paradise earth 🌎 why is that? It’s very clear of a paradise earth 🌎 at Psalms 37:10-11 and 29.
ОтветитьJesus is “only begotten” (John 3:16) which means he had a beginning and was created. Also while he was on earth he prayed to “our father” (Matthew 6:9) meaning he considered himself gods son just like we are gods children. He wasn’t praying to himself, he was praying to a completely separate being, our father.
ОтветитьI appreciate the views of JW’s and how they are confused but you statements are wrong as well, Christians true apostolic Bible believing “Christians” do NOT Believe in the trinity. Trinity is a Trinitarian belief and a Catholic belief. Those are denominations. Please do not lump Christians in to denominations there is a difference.
ОтветитьJohn 17:3.... Jesus called the FATHER the only TRUE GOD. He taught his followers to pray that the FATHER's name be sanctified.... Matthew 6:9. Jesus said that the FATHER is looking for people to worship Him....John 4:23 He called the Father HIS God.....John 20:17 He prayed for ALL of his followers to be ONE.. just as he and the Father are one (in purpose) John 17:21 READ Jesus's OWN words.
ОтветитьThis presenter’s rebuttals are fallacious at best.
ОтветитьAt the beginning, his joke about Halloween is kind of perplexing. Why would any Christian think that holiday is OK? That is perhaps the most blatantly pagan, and demonic holiday, with a very thin facade.
1 Cor 10:21 You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons. 22 Or ‘are we inciting Jehovah to jealousy’? We are not stronger than he is, are we?
Truly perplexing how lost some people are.
do you deny the God of Jesus ?
ОтветитьDo please get hold of a copy of DOOMSDAY DECEPTION - the rise and fall of the Watchtower Society (published amazon August 2021) which tells all. Based on more than 50 years investigative journalism and experience of a former JW. Soon after it was published the Watchtower Society removed Pastor Russell's graveside pyramid monument because of the revelations in the book. Do read it and take control of your own life in happy confidence - Good luck from the UK.
ОтветитьJesus is divine, but not the Father. The Father is the "one true God" quoting Jesus' own words in John 17:3, but Jesus is our God because He is the "beginning of the creation of God" Revelation 3:14. I am not Jehovah's Witnesses. I am a traditional seventh-day adventist(not part of the mainstream SDA Church). I do believe in the divinity of Jesus, because he was brought forth from God, so He has the same nature as His Father(God), but I do not believe in the Trinity. Because Jesus said all power was given him. SO that means there was a time he did not have power. and if God has a spirit(Spirit of God), Jesus has a spirit(Spirit of Christ), does the Holy Spirit have a spirit? It is ignorant to think that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are coequal, coeternal. there are clearly differences. also, in Proverbs 8:22-31, this passage describes "wisdom". Some people think this is figurative and cannot be applied to Jesus, but just as he identified Himself as the "truth"(John 14:6), what people don't know is that Jesus is also identified...as WISDOM! 1 Corinthians 1:24, 30. Paul states that Christ is to us believers the WISDOM of God! So yes, Proverbs 8:22-31 can and IS applied to Jesus. notice what Solomon says in Proverbs 8:22. "The LORD possessed me in the BEGINNING of HIS WAY." Who is the Way? Jesus Christ. So, this verse is saying Jesus Christ had a beginning! The Father has no beginning and no end, while His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, had a beginning! And plus Jesus has a glorified human body in heaven, while the Father has a form, but the Bible is not clear if he has a body. So, before you go out and falsely represent other faiths, study the Bible and ask wisdom from God Himself(James 1:5-8). Not everyone who doesn't believe in "orthodox" Christianity and the Trinity is not Christian. I am as Christian as you are.
Ответить