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"Presentism" is a narrow minded, self righteous, ingnorant movement which masquerades as "compassionate" and "enlightened" but is nothing of the sort.
It makes two false claims: that if I lived back then I wouldn't have gone along with all the bad stuff - slavery - and that we now have all the answers - or me and my friends do.
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ОтветитьConfederates were traitors....but so are all Americans, and that is never pointed out.....Traitors founded this country....I know that....why is it "woke" don't know it!!!!!
ОтветитьGreat to see D. Murray on the show.... the calibre of guests is consistently high.
ОтветитьJan 6th was not an insurrection. The FBI said there was no organized mob, no weapons. Just another massive disinformation message from the Left.
Ответить"RETAIN AND EXPLAIN": EXCELLENT!!
We do not celebrate today. We are to remember ....how far we have come as a country.
And now the rest of the story: 🤓 📕
Though there were obviously racist southern leaders and others who took a perversely racist pleasure in the raising of confederate monuments, the statues were NOT raised as a “fuck you” to black America. The SPLC created that narrative, THAT LIE. It’s completely false. A quick look at United States history shows it.
Here’s the true story. Look it up. At the half century mark after the civil war, fifty years later, northern and southern states wanted to heal and reconcile. Elderly soldiers from both sides met on the battlefields, shook hands, swapped war stories, raised monuments, and honored each other’s leaders and heroes. The era lasted about a decade or more and was nationwide. It was called the Reconciliation Era. Google it.
The SPLC intentionally left out certain facts. In their zeal to conflate the timeframes of Jim Crow laws with the raising of statues, their so-called “research” never mentioned the Reconciliation Era. If they researched it, how do they not even mention it? Our newspapers of the time were flooded with stories about monuments and statues being raised because of the Reconciliation Era. It wasn’t some hidden secret history. It was a celebrated time with positive receptions for all of America. There are tons of historical pictures of some of the old soldiers eating and posing together on battlefields. Why omit that from their *research*?
There were just as many union monuments raised as confederate. The SPLC listed ZERO of those. Didn’t fit their narrative. In fact, Gettysburg had more northern than southern monuments.
The contested land was in the south, so most battlefields and monuments were raised in the south, but the LIE needs to end. The monuments were not raised for racist purposes. That BS is the product of the SPLC and some self proclaimed history revisionists backed it up.
The second largest raising of monuments according to the SPLC occurred in the sixties because of the civil rights movement. More “correlation equals causation” because, once again, they looked at when the monuments were being raised and sought something racist occurring around the same time; the Civil Rights Movement. Except, gee, it was the centennial mark for the Civil War. There were rededications of monuments and néw monuments raised. That’s what happens at the century mark of huge historical events.
The SPLC needs to be shut down.
Those statues celebrated confederate generals. Confederate generals supported slavery and should NOT be celebrated. Citizens offended by these statues being taken down have poor character because they support what these historical figures represented. And that's despicable.
ОтветитьNot backlash, returning things back to normal.
ОтветитьDon't take statues down! Learn from it
ОтветитьBeats the hell out of any segment of The View.
ОтветитьI thought ‘Freddie Mercury’s Tambourine’ was a euphemism
Ответить😮 In Johannesburg South Africa there is an apartheid museum not to celibrate apartheid but to remember and hopefully learn from. Monuments of ALL kinds should be retained for this purpose.
ОтветитьA better option for Confederate statues would have been to little by little replace statues as a sort of "renovation". Gets rid of the statues, but it does it gradually so people don't feel that their culture is under attack.
ОтветитьYes teach the whole story Bill. Like the other reasons that the Confederacy seceded. Like ridiculous tariffs taxes, being conscripted to go to wars They didn't agree with. They leave that out of 8th grade history. Slavery could have gone away on its own without a single bullet fired. Just like I did in Britain France and every other major country that had it. The federal government got huge and powerful post civil war. That was a bad thing too. Probably worse
ОтветитьEXCEPT FOR DOUGLAS MURRAY, THE OTHER TWO WERE IDIOTS. THE CONFEDERATES DID NOT CELEBRATE SLAVERY. IN FACT, THEIR CONGRESS WAS IN TALKS TO END SLAVERY BUT THE NORTH 9WHO USED TO OWN SLAVES NOT TO LONG BEFORE) STARTED THE WAR.
THE NORTH ALSO SHIPPED MOST OF THE SLAVES TO THE SOUTH AND MADE A KILLING OUT OF DOING SO.
ANYWAY, THE SOUTH WAS NEAR TO ENDING SLAVERY, THEY JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE TOLD WHEN OR HOW TO DO IT.
This reaformed paganism for all free understanding of life
ОтветитьThey don’t give out drugs at safe injection sites 🫣😑
Ответитьnewton's cradle!
ОтветитьCan anyone remember a day where they have seen Bill on the ground in reality, covering things he talks about. Yeah, exactly!
Hence why Douglas is the only rational voice people should listen too.
Bill I love you but you ARE WRONG ON IRAN. Ex Muslim Iranian here - never negotiate with terrorists. Iran's regime is a terrorist global jihadist government holding my people and the world hostage. Invite Reza Pahlavi or Armin Navabi on atheist republic if you want to understand the best strategy with Iran - hint hint, is not Obama's way.
ОтветитьBILL MAHER IS GREEDY! THERE WERE ABOLITIONISTS IN AMERICA BACK THEN! SO EVERYONE DIDN'T THINK SLAVERY WAS OK ! YOU JUST WANNA SELL BOOKS AND HAVE CONSERVATIVES WATCH YOUR SHOW! DON'T YOU HAVE ENOUGH MONEY BY NOW!!!!
ОтветитьAnd when Lincoln issued his proclamation emancipation, he didn’t free any slaves that he could have freed. He only freed those slaves that were in the south, and he had no power and practicality to do that. There were several states that were in the union that were slave states and those slaves were not freedduring the proclamation emancipation. Now you know.
ОтветитьThe south had every right to secede from the union. It’s like a woman wants a divorce and the man won’t let her and then crosses line into the woman’s territory and grabs her and drags her back. The south we’re not traders. The south decided they want it their own country and they legally created it. It wasn’t the Civil War. It was the war of northern aggression.
ОтветитьDid John Adams, 2nd pres, have slaves? look it up.
ОтветитьStill waiting for all of the FDR locations and buildings renamed. He imprisoned thousands of citizens with no trial for years only 80 years ago.
ОтветитьMaher: "Is there any doubt that aspartame is poison?" Yeah, sorry, Bill, there is doubt. Would you care to actually present SCIENCE on it?! Ignorant feck.
ОтветитьI like Bill, but he often says things that reveal how limited his knowledge and understanding are. He, like most other people in this country, can only see slavery through the lens of the American manifestation of the concept. It is very well known — and writings about it number in the thousands — that the “slavery” in the Bible couldn’t have been more different than the contemporary American mind imagines it. (Reminder: The Bible wasn’t written in English.)
Slaves in the Bible were those who worked to pay off a debt of some sort and get themselves back on their feet. Those who hired them were commanded by Torah law to treat them as well or better than any member of the family. For example, if you only had one pillow in your home, by law you were required to give it to your slave.
It’s a shame that someone who claims to value truth and wisdom has never in his life encountered factual commentaries on this topic or been intellectually curious enough to seek them out. I hope he changes that someday soon.
New Rule: Bill Maher should stop ignoring the R@pe of children , making jokes on the abuse of children and maybe start doing something about it instead of tacitly supporting child R@pe by trying to joke about r@ping underage kids.
ОтветитьLet's also not forget HISTORY that the democratic party was for SLAVERY! The democratic party was for Jim Crowe laws! The KKK was the democratic party strong men who tortured blacks and white republicans who stood alongside the blacks. It was the democratic party who pushed for segregation, this is the DNA of the Dems!!!
ОтветитьBullshit...history is history. Some of it was good, most of it was bad. If you put yourself in the 1800's with a set of 2024 eyes, it will not work...
ОтветитьYou can tell Bill gets butterflies in his stomach when he has Douglas on.
ОтветитьRemember all the founding fathers were traitors too.
ОтветитьDoes anyone have a link to the full episode? This one with Douglas Murray is a gem
ОтветитьReal Time sucks now. Every week Bill puts on pro Israel misinformation Fox News style. I am also tired of Bill's mask phobia and a lot of other things I hear every week. Boring!!
ОтветитьRichmond City in Virginia is rife with Liberals. I am from one of the counties outside of Richmond. We in the counties typically do not understand why they make such absurd decisions. Decisions like the removal of statues from Memorial Ave are one of the reasons why the counties refuse to invest in Richmond City. They do not want to listen. Let alone listen to reason. Stoney was also one of their very poor decisions.
ОтветитьGreat discussions.
ОтветитьThey’re all so reasonable. No shouting or anything.
ОтветитьI love you all, but Douglas Murray takes my heart. This is a guy who's been there and knows, first hand how it's done.
ОтветитьIs there NO ONE to celebrate in these Southern cities EXCEPT Confederates??? Come on! It's NOT ONLY that the Confederate statues needed to go: communities need to really ahve a process to choose new statues. Surely, there are many other Heroes--& SHEroes--that could be honored.Have some imagination!
ОтветитьDouglas Murray is an 1d10t
ОтветитьIf you pay a thousand dollars to go to a concert to watch an ignorant rube, you seriously need to check your priorities.
Ответитьaren't we just outsourcing slavery now?
ОтветитьFrank is correct: Douglas is wrong. The purpose of statues is to elevate and celebrate and “venerate”.
If you want to know your history, that’s what books and museums are for.
Bill, maybe consider chemistry of adding a @JohnMcwhorter to panel mix...
ОтветитьWhat is Eric Sclosser taking about that junk food "only" makes us unhealthy. The studies linking malnutrition and IQ have been done as well as the links between various mental disorders and malnutrition. If you eat mostly junk food, and the fruits veggies and meat you do eat is degraded in vitamins and minerals... You are going to see effects in that population... Seems obvious to me
ОтветитьHey Bill, it is not did it.. it is still happening
ОтветитьI completely agree with the statues and Douglas Murray even before they started taking them down my thought was that they should add statues that represent the story of slavery and the history of the people who were subjugated
ОтветитьThese tools think the south celebrated slavery!? The south was pushed into a war it didn’t want. They had no choice. Even many in the North supported slavery. It wasn’t only slavery that caused it. Anyone that thinks that one issue caused a war than your obviously to stupid to understand.
And yes I know slavery is wrong, if people are so against it now then why don’t they stop the slave trade in current times that has effected more people than it did ever did in America.
DOUGLAS MURRY!!!
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