David Silverman | Religion Debate | Opposition (4/6)

What a bumbling idiot.

A Nobel Prize awaits the first person to provide verifiable evidence of the existence of a creator.

What a man!

Brilliant man. However, my hatred for abortion has nothing to do with religion as I am an atheist. I just take the ‘controversial’ opinion that murdering a child is wrong. 😂

Conducted a serious theological debate whilst playing Candy crush🐐

Just because you haven't seen spirits yourself and been in spirit yourself doesn't mean others ha ent you choose not to believe it is your own choice that doesn't mean it isn't real

I dont know how to prove it to you but I have seen beings of light ✨

Maybe if you just believe and pray and go through all the trials many have you will se one too

Bravo!!!

Bhutan is DEEPLY BUDDHIST and is among the highest if not the highest in terms of happiness index - he manipulates the " facts '

Just talking from the conceptual idea, maybe to win the debate but there are many things to bring on the board of questions from science, from history, from anthropology etc.

He has said Ridley, a brain-washed but I think he is a real dogmatic mind.

All the mass killers were and is atheist. He sounds to me extremist.

I lost a lot of respect for this platform because his previous speaker Ridley was just stating things that were not facts at all. Things about Islamic faith and even misquoted Voltaires joke as Sartre being serious.

Why do they keep interrupting him

I am sorry but i have to admit that this silverman is very stupid. he do not want to understand religion and then made fun of it. and all his sample of god is his childhood fantasy.

OMG

Problem of atheis is they dont want or avoid to read Quran, just dont want to

"I said good evening everybody" Christ atheists are just as pompous as the religious nut jobs. SPIRITUALITY IS NOT AN IDENTITY! He's as attached to his identity as any Christian, Muslim, Jew etc. He simply attacks the identities of others because his whole argument is based on discrediting the personal identity yet he talks about having no animosity towards the religious. What is putting himself on a pedestal as some kind of hero for humanity? The personal identity and the human being are two completely different things. All the personal identity does is take up space in the brain but serves no practical purpose for interacting with reality as. The person am identity is always wanting something from some place or somebody "I want". Only when we do practices which simply enable us to just let go such as deep focus on the present moment, fasting, meditation, mindful practices such as mindfulness of breath, walking eating drinking or even washing the dishes, vacuuming do we start to lose the level of identity in the being that we identify as "our self" and we start to ease the suffering within the human being and raising it's level of awareness and this awareness is what was originally going back maybe 15000 years in eastern culture (which I may add is where all religions were founded) This why deism is merely a perversion of pantheism. Rosary beads are a rip off of mala beads (for counting chants) a church was a rip off of a temple. A priests job in India and a Buddhist monks job, traditionally, was to ensure that anyone they come in contact with feels a deep sense of peace simply by being on their presence. Not to make somebody tense and nervous afraid they aren't in their best behaviour of dressed well enough or have enough tea and biscuits for the father coming🙄. It's all that bullshit I think why atheists really have a problem with the religious. Because the religious assume a position of authority without any credibility to back it up. That just makes them narcissistic pains in the ass...

Proof that even an intelligent man can be right about god and religion but still have TDS🤣 Let's go Brandon!🇺🇲

While the speaker makes good points about how religion is used to create divisions and a sense of the superiority/saved or "the other" between people, he actually presents one key assumption that undermines his whole argument. He claims that if anyone would produce a sufficiently impressive physical miracle, he would "quit his job" and assumably would not longer be an atheist.

However, this notion of "Man testing God (or His prophets) is a persistent theme in the Old and New Testaments and was the reason Christ continually refused to do miracles on demand to establish his credentials with the priests of his day. Muhammad, 600 years later, also explained that even though Christ performed many miracles, the priests were neither satisfied, convinced , "willing to give up their jobs", or even do the actual job they were hired to do, which was lead the people to righteousness. For this reason, Muhammad did not offer similar proof because he rightly pointed that when Jesus did these things it changed neither people's mind nor hearts - so what's the point?

For example, if the speaker had his wish come true, and having found that this imaginary God somehow met his criteria, what would that prove? Perhaps that this speaker was arrogant? That he was a "materialist" in the traditional sense that nothing matters but physically tangible matter and energy?

Also, what if after seeing this overwhelming proof, the speaker walked around the corner and explained to a random person what had just happened. As a random person, even a person of faith, would we even believe him? Should we believe him because he was a well-known (former) skeptic? Should we believe him because he thought up a clever test for God? If this was a powerful miracle that many people witnessed, should we believe that this speaker actually was the one that set that miracle in motion? As for everyone else who did not see it, there will always be questions and doubts.

You get back to the point presented by the speaker: "You cannot prove that something does not exist (or a miracle never happened)"

On the other hand, there are many good philosophical arguments for the existence of a Creator as the cause the universe, that have nothing to do directly with religion.

I would refer you to this line of argument presented in various ways in the writings and commentary on the Baha'i Faith.

The irony of the Creator example is that you can logically conclude there is a Creator, but there is nothing in the physical universe that unambiguously and comprehensively explains the reality, or even the will, of such a Creator.

So again, when the speaker asked for PHYSICAL proof to demonstrate the existence of a supernatural (non-physical) reality - well that slo seems silly.

We need to employ observation, abstract and reflective thought, reason and logic to conclude there is a Creator (i.e., the universe didn't spring into existence from nothingness), -only then can your arguments be in an area (human thought) in which everyone can participate and come to a reasonable consensus.

Again, the speaker is castigating in religion that human tendency to try to "concertize" or "humanize" a physically transcendent concept - but that is just the priests and cultural archetypes doing a really poor job - they are better off saying to just leave that topic alone.

The core of most faith traditions actually do not even try to describes the Creator. Their prophets are like mirrors reflecting the light of the Sun (like spiritual illumination and social progress). They always refer to Mirror that came before them, and predict another Mirror that will come in the future based on the needs of humanity.

Another analogy is that the teaching of these messengers are like the lamp in a lantern. If the light appears in one lantern for awhile and then fades from view, only to appear in a totally new lantern, the question becomes: Are you a lover of the light or a lover of the lamp?

The speaker rightful asserts that most religionists are lovers of just the lamp, long after the light has returned elsewhere.

He said, "I said 'Good evning evry buddy'." Can any one here hear??

Totally brilliant.

Seriouslt, these are the arguments. Science deals with naturalist phenomena not with metaphysicl ones. Can scientific analysis be applied on morality, pain, suffering, good and bad? Rhetoric, claps and confirmation biased all that leads to simpleton arguments.

Top Ten reasons individual's can label themselves Christian.

10 – You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.

9 – You feel insulted and “dehumanized” when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.

8 – You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.

7 – Your face turns purple when you hear of the “atrocities” attributed to Allah, but you don’t even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in “Exodus” and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in “Joshua” including women, children, and infants!

6 – You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.

5 – You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.

4 – You believe that the entire population of this incestuous planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs — though excluding those in all rival sects – will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most “tolerant” and “loving.”

3 – While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in “tongues” may be all the evidence you need to “prove” Christianity.

2 – You define 0.01% as a “high success rate” when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.

1 – You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history – but still call yourself a Christian.

JUST BECAUSE YOU LOOK LIKE A MONKEY DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT YOU CAME FROM IT!..... IF MARIO & LUIGI DID NOT CREATE THEMSELVES THEN OBVIOUSLY YOU DID NOT CREATE YOURSELF TOO, CORRECT ?...and YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN CREATOR. why ?... BECAUSE IT IS CONFIRMED THAT THE ATOMS WILL NOT MOVE ITSELF TO BECOME SOMETHING WITHOUT THE AID OF A .....humble...invisible...force...(HIF).

LET'S BE HUMBLE MEN ! ... KNOWN ARE JUST A FRACTION OF WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW !

Thank you David....finally some truth!

The fear of death has to be what's keeping these religions alive... otherwise I don't get it

Watch debate between Dr Zakir Naik vs Dr William Campble to understand religion.

Okay this guy claims he is an atheist
But he admitted he was illuminati in an interview so? You guys can follow him for all I care

For a random example:
"The word religion has multiple meanings."- hmm.. Not really any more meanings than the average word. Do you know how I know this? Because I was just studying the difference between religion and spirituality. When you say that anyone can be religious, you are disrespecting religious people.
You say that the definition of religion is a set of beliefs revolving around a god or gods. Sure... That is the most obvious aspect,... But it is not a substantial or satisfactory definition to anyone with an IQ above 50. The actual word God is Roman, and initially meant a supernatural deity or deity's. At the same time though a lot of pagan beliefs maintained and ultimate God like the Vikings "all father". This is a tangent I don't want to go down though.

Anyways, Religious practices have much more to do with literature and communal practices than personal beliefs. It's about organization and community revolving around an ideal , not an arbitrary imagined thing.

Let's imagine that our physical reality is like a puzzle being put together. Would you expect a single puzzle piece to somehow show you that something/someone had designed the puzzle? Or is it possible that you just have a lot of hubris and refuse to accept the concept that there's something greater than you that you are not able to perceive and control?
I wonder why faith is called faith. It is because it requires proof? Is it because it requires supernatural changes or events? Is it because they're declaring that they can prove god? Lol..
The angels have wings because they take themselves lightly..



How much money does this a-hole make? It's unfortunate that I can put this person to shame even though he's the professional.

"all religion is a con and a scam and it deserves to die"...
SMH Again... You trying to lump a bunch of s*** together to sound intelligent.
Religion is a process, a practice, not an individual okay; can't send religion to hell right..
What if religion acts as a function?
Matthew 18:20 "the holy spirit is present whenever two or more gather". It's about the power of consciousness and faith.

Does the bell mean that it was like a foul? That he said something offensive?

Dude clearly doesn't know what he's talking about if he's using terms like "quantitative data' so backwards. No dude, data isn't quantitative, the subject itself is quantitative. When big silly gooses like you insert declarations about "better quality of life", your actually just running your own mouth based on your own damn (one could even call anti -religrous) beliefs.
I don't understand how you guys can't see how your actually playing into a roll that actually fits into the kind of crap that you're attempting to be self-righteous about in the first place.
If anyone can't understand what I'm saying, please ask.

(It's hard to watch this video though because it's just false dichotomy after false dichotomy)

False dilemma after false dilemma after false dilemma after false dichotomy ect...

David Silverman breaks down and destroys Religion as simply and eloquently as Hitch in my opinion!

In '73 I prayed hard for the NY Mets to win the World Series. They didn't and that was the point I realized prayer has no affect. Some time after that, I realized god does not exist.

I’d like to see this guy debate that arrogant political cartoonist and believer JimBob.

David can't prove he had a great, great grandfather, yet he believes he does.. so his argument is silly really...

Yall agree with him but hes trying to prove to oxford tha God isnt real

I enjoy the Oxford debates, but too many interruptions, let him speak his piece.

Yvonne is infuriating, refuting my disbelief so arrogantly. I was a Soldier for 33 years. I don’t believe in her fairy tales. She quotes literature. I lived the life. I do not believe in any organized religions beliefs. You David are correct. If you ever need a name to add to refute such stupid claims like Yvonne’s claim. Use mine! Thank you.

Romans 10:13
Kjv


New Living Translation
For “Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved

Reading from a phone at an oxford union debate should not be allowed.

The highlight for me was the Asian guy with the pristine and blazing English accent 😂

♦"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
♦"Only fools revere the supernatural bs just bc a book claims it's the holy truth."
♦"Religion is founded on the fear & gullibility of many & the cleverness of few."
♦"The delusional religious zealots are cocksure & the intelligent full of doubt."
♦"The religious believe by the millions what only lunatics may believe on their own."
♦"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled."
♦"It's difficult to free the religious from the chains they revere."
♦“To have faith is precisely to lose one's mind so as to win God.”
♦"The death of dogma is the birth of morality."
♦"Religion fools many bc the brain is susceptible to hallucination & gullibility."

Religion is a product of a naturalistic phenomenon and cultural development. It is clearly man made. So called gods and goddesses is a product of the human imagination. It is sad and tragic that many people still cling to superstition and religious nonsense. Humanity needs to outgrow religion and move on. David Silverman is brilliant.

Acts 4:30 - By stretching forth thine hand to heal; and that signs and wonders may be done by the name of thy holy child Jesus.