NO!!! We're not saying that Fusion 360 is REPLACING Inventor! BUT...

My 2 cents; we use Inventor in our commercial millwork shop, we have 10 licenses and pay a massive amount for it. We could do what we need with Fusion ...no talk of change because it serves us well although we don't do much stress analysis on laminate :).
The point I'm getting across is the cost, and even more the market share. Now all of us who use Autodesk products know it is the best, however, there are a lot of programs out there that are vying for their piece of the rock. The old adage, that its hard to go back to something lessor once you have used and are use to the best, same applies to getting Fusion out there in every household and business, maybe they want users to get a taste of it which then leads to more users and more needs for upgrade.
Also, being cloud connected could also mean financial advantage through data mining, ad revenue etc.
Cheers

The convoluted mind of Autodesk.... it's impossible to predict what they are thinking or planning to do next. I know that if they drop Inventor there would be huge backlash from the Engineering space as like you mentioned its not geared up for things like Vault for example.., and can you imagine the amount of work that would be involved in transferring Inventor files to Fusion in an Engineering Company.... we just have to watch this space I suppose.

Marketing is for things that need to be marketed. They are selling hope. They are monopolizing actual usable cad. No need to sell touchy Feely millennials on a Bell telephone.

Well thats a bumber.. I literally just bought the design and manufacturing collection yesterday! After 2 years of fusion I can finally afford to get inventor for 10 times the price and now this... Very concerning.

So as an engineer I do a bit of circuit design and mechanical design. I just noticed that when ADSK bought Eagle the circuit board design software they integrated it with F360. So any changes in the board design and layout populate back into F360 , the design are linked to each other. However they did not integrate it yet with Inventor and are still "working on it" . In Inventor you have to manually import the new board model and its not linked. Considering that everything has PCB now, its interesting that they integrated Eagle with F360 before Inventor.

You gray beards best find a millennial to teach you how to use F360, your Inventor days seem numbered.

Hi Neal On a different tack, I have been looking at home CNC milling machines and found that Fusion 360 gets a lot of mentions. Cheers.

And by changing the businness model from perpetual licencing to renting, and by encouraging to switch if you still have a perpetual license....

o man i hope its not true cos i hate the work flow for assembly's in fusion so much so that i would rather switch to solidworks then use autodesk . the ui isnt the best also it reminds me a lot to the dinosaur autocad when looking at the solids and how they get rendered in all 4 years ago i had a pretty bad experiences whit it trying it out and that hasn't changed now. Also the always online thing isnt the best

I feel the same my friend

Yeah... Well. Hmmmm.

Fusion 360 is nice, but it is not a patch on Inventor. I can see why they have started from scratch with F360 as the interactions (I think) between various workspaces has a fair chance EVENTUALLY of going beyond that which Inventor already has, but no way, no how is F360 ready for that kind of Prime Time!
I use F360 more now as I am teaching my students to use it because it is currently free, but there is no way in hell would I use it for Real Work unless I absolutely had to.
It has so many quirks and unfixed things - users have been waiting for over three years for a simple fix to the Chamfer Distance and Angle setting (you cannot change which surface the distance is applied to)! One of the dumbest omissions I have ever seen!
And there are so many others!!
They have spent so much time adding the flashy features without fixing the little things.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Fusion 360, but it is going to take many many more years before it ever replaces the functionality of Inventor.

When I use Inventor, I'm using a tool. When I use Fusion I'm playing with a toy.

Fusion needs to be pushed, I have been to countless small companies who run solidworks, and they really don't need it. They only use it because of it's household name and Fusion is really denting that. You are right, it is not going to take over Inventor.. yet. Inventor is far more advanced.

They use the free model of Fusion 360 because what is better to develop a new CAD program than miljon free test users that help make the software better ,help suggest new features ,help finding bugs .
I think as soon Fusion is a real competitor to Solidworks the free use will end.
They maybe charge $10 or so a month for hobby use ,or maybe a limited version for free use.
Anyway i hope i am wrong.

I got it, it's all about money, generative design which takes cloud credits, costs money. They are moving to the same thing gaming companies are doing, micro transactions. Free software, but if you want it to do anything good, you have to pay.

Edit: you know if they took a break from developing inventor for like 5 years to improve it from the ground up I'd be ok with that, as long as they didn't get rid of it completely.

There is one thing that I'm interesting to know, is Fusion 360 better managing resource than Inventor? It takes advantage of the multicores procesors and does a better use of the video card? If all this questions can be responded with a yes, the best for all of us is that Fusion takes on Inventor but the problem as you aim is that Fusion does not cover all Inventor funtionaties yet, there is a lot of thing that we can do in Inventor that we can't do in Fusion, I hope for the best that they (Autodesk) arrives to a point where Fusion is 100% capable of sustitute Inventor before do something like his move with Showcase. Another concern that arrise is that if all this is true, and I mean that everyone inside Autodesk knows this, they will probably stop releasing good updates for Inventor, in fact every new funtionality should be developed for both software... Anyways, we all know that that's kind of the future but we want to that future to be better not worse..

You are watching... Cold Fusion....
Great channel... almost as good as this one.. ;-)

Fusion is great for the basics and working on the go. Inventor beats it easily when working with bigger, more complex projects.

I think you're reading too much into that video. There's no way Fusion can replace Inventor. I think Autodesk is just trying to open new markets with Fusion and so are currently pushing it. Adobe did a similar thing years ago with Photoshop when they released Photoshop Elements. Adobe knew they had the professional market secured with Photoshop, but they wanted to offer a product to consumers and semi-professional users. That's how I see Fusion. It's for the growing market in small to mid-size businesses.

Do you have an Instagram Neil?

Fusion 360 is an advanced version of 123d design software which was free from autodesk.

It looks nice and offers various features for simulation particularly but I can't work on it for real part or a product.
For me it looks as a toy compared to inventor.. I can't explain it more.. But autodesk will lose professional users who use inventor.

For small-medium sized companies, the only real upgrade over Inventor is Solid Edge.
Or Creo if you have money to dump on its numerous extensions.

I train CAD techs for a community college. We do not cover Fusion at all.

Spot on Neil. I pinned that very question on to Autodesk six months ago and they dance around it. I also learned that resellers are not happy as they feel Autodesk is pushing Fusion in a manner that leaves resellers hanging out to dry. Fusion is not ready "to take the sword" but I can help but sense Autodesk is closing that gap quickly.

shit monsters killed artcam :|

Inventor was the 1st 3D CAD software I worked with. Since then I worked with Solidworks and Creo. Now I have started a part time masters and we use Inventor at university and OH MY GOD. Almost nothing has changed over 5 years. Don't get me wrong, this is good for me because I can jump right in with eyes closed and design anything, but on areas that matter the most it is the same functionality with almost nothing new. Sheet metal continues to be really basic and things you can do in SW or CREO you just can't do in Inventor.

Why am I saying all this? Because even though Inventor lacks behind in key features compared to other 3D cad packages, Fusion doesn't have the AMAZING features that Inventor has and no other 3D cad sotware has and I really miss. iLogic? NOPE. Design accelerator tools (gears, shafts etc)? NEIN. Bolt connection strength checks? NO and the list goes on. And yes I am one of the people that think that Autodesk IS going to axe Inventor becuase they have axed products in the past, like Showcase and simulation mechanical (ok simulation mechanical was a bit horible), with a complete disregard for the customers and what they will do.

Autodesk is shooting itself in the foot here.

I'm gonna be pissed if I have to rewrite all of my company procedures to switch to Fusion.

I have use Inventor professionally for 15+ years and fusion 360 as a hobbit at home for the last 3 years or so. Fusion has come an extremely long way in that time and tbh fusion can do 80-90% of the work i'd need to do in Inventor. Having said that it's nowhere near ready to take over. Drawing environment still needs a lot of work and it grinds to a halt and crashes if sketches are too complicated or there are too many components in an assembly. My other major issue with fusion that simply makes it not commercially ready to take over inventor is your files are cloud based. What happens if you get to work and your ISP has an issue literally non of the design team could open up their files and work resulting in massive loses financially. Fusion would definitely need to save files locally by default before i'd ever consider using commercially.

You know, few years ago i was struggling on making a good choice. I literally installed everything: skechup, inventor, solidworks. I was looking for a software where i could be flexible and inventive and not one where i could represent a detailed drawing of a designed object.
To have a clue, i'm an architect who use ArchiCAD to design and Revit/ Autocad to represent the design. The ideas are always born on some obscured softwares that nobody talks about.
And exactly here Fusion prevail over Inventor: it gives u freedom to do any thing u can imagine without knowing what u gonna do. On Inventor u cant actually invent anything only to represent a model that exist already, at least on your mind.

I think what the video shows us is that Autodesk have realised that none of the things that were being manufactured in that video actually need Autodesk Inventor. On the other hand, the kind of complexity (part/occurrence count etc.) present in the machines that are doing the making is exactly what Autodesk Inventor is "good" at. You only have to look at a Fusion 360 project such as @Wintergatan's Marble Machine X (and the trouble Marten has experienced with part/occurrence count) to realise that Inventor isn't going anywhere soon. He ultimately was shown a different method for modelling in Fusion 360 so that AFAIK he hasn't hit up against the limitations of Fusion 360 since, but he must surely always be thinking "what happens when I hit that limit again?"

I'm an Inventor user, better switch to SOLIDWORKS or Fusion360 in the future?

Till the cows come home

I would request your first video be about the file management compared to how Inventors works, and lay out a best practice.I don't have a problem using Fusion to model, but the part of all of my files residing in the cloud is a little unsettling to my employer, and myself.

They have been pushing Fusion hard for a few years now I've noticed.

I have been using Inventor for 4 years and I totally love it. But this is what happened. Recently I've started a new education, where they have been teaching Inventor but this year they switched to Fusion360 because it's free for universities (and "It is the future" as they say). Ohh, man. It takes me hours to model simple concepts. Like many people mentioned "playing with it" which is soooo true. There is no easy and intuitive way to put your assembly together, always need to use any kind of workarounds (add a new point, a new sketch etc.). In sketch mode, all lines have the same thickness, you just can't distinguish dimension line from your sketch lines. This list can go on and on.
Long story short, there is no way that Fusion360 can take over Inventor. It's not a tool yet, it's a toy. And you should understand, Neil, that this is just a commercial. I really doubt Formula 1 engineers use Fusion360 on day to day basis.

If they are phasing out inventor for fusion, autodesk has a long way to go. Don’t get me wrong, I’m down with the revolution, I love fusion, but, I’m frustrated on a daily basis by having to convert my fusion models to inventor files to complete fairly simple ops. ie; exporting faces to dxf for plasma, laser or wj cutting, or frame generation and wire layout tools. I think a merging of the two tools is imminent, I just hope it gets done right.

When Autodesk was totally in the Fusion hype some years ago, Inventor development had stalled, and it seemed that new things were being made in Fusion and then ported to Inventor. Also, to make you feel the Suite was great they kept piling in programs that were nice but in the end mostly useless. Now, I see that Inventor is getting new stuff and development seems to be in new swing. They may be pushing Fusion, but now they seem to have understood that it's not ready yet to displace Inventor. That's why the price is so different.

Inventor is an expensive software. I am looking at Fusion right now because it is more affordable. But I'm doing so knowing that I will use it to get started, get my feet wet, and then I will get Inventor with Woodwork for Inventor.

I have experience with inventor but none with fusion 360. I am responsible to get a CAD licence for my company though. So could someone explain to me what the difference is and more importantly, what does inventor have that fusion 360 doesn't. Everyone seems to be telling me what fusion 360 has but not the other way around.

I’m kinda in a tough situation. I have been using sketchup and Rhino 6 for modeling and I would like to extend my ability by adding another program. Just need some opinion between Fusion 360, Inventor and 3ds max.....

Why can't they have a decent subscription system, they want way too much.

Fcuk it... Imma switch to Solidworks

I think it's just a marketing thing and they don't need to show inventor to get their message across i am currently using it at work. I remember working for GM and they never showed the engineering/drawing office on TV and in magazines only the design/styling areas with the nice sketches and clay models even though though most of the work was done in engineering. But who knows Autodesk is copping a tonne of shit over Revit being underdeveloped and difficult to use so they are probably on the back foot.

Sept 2020, I'm still no closer to understanding what Fusion 360 is? I just want to create my design (in 3D) product, I want to design my PCBs, I want to send my design to my Laser Cutter/Engraver, I want to send my PCB off to China to have the board made, I want to go sell my product. After researching Fusion 360, I'm still no closer to understanding if Fusion 360 is what I want ... sadly your video didn't really help me figure it out ... but do appreciate your video ... so your thoughts come Sept 2020? Anything changed?

Soooo Autodesk.... Just saying ... Does anyone remember SOFTIMAGE... ? your 3d max example has already happened to it !

If they dump Inventor , I’m dumping Autodesk. I’ve been with them since 96, not a big fan of Of 360.

I've had to swap the music out and replace the original Showreel music, because it slammed me with a damn copyright claim so I had to re-edit the thing and re-upload, boooooo!