Mormon Temple Worker Loses Faith -  Michelle Clyde | Ep. 1949

Mormon Temple Worker Loses Faith - Michelle Clyde | Ep. 1949

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Michelle Clyde shares her journey of faith transition within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Growing up in Springville, Utah, she became more progressive in her views after her friend started the first gay-straight alliance in Utah Valley. Despite serving as a temple worker and in the Relief Society presidency, Michelle struggled with her experiences in the temple and her mental health. She opens up about her challenges during her mission in Taiwan, her journey through depression, and her evolving understanding of the church's history. Join us as Michelle reads from her journal and reveals the pivotal moments that led her to question her beliefs. Don’t miss this insightful discussion!

Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/temple-worker-loses-faith-michelle/

00:00:00 Intro
00:04:00 Intentions for coming onto Mormon Stories
00:06:55 Beginning of her Mormon Story
00:13:53 Growing up in the Church
00:24:13 High School years
00:32:50 Lessons of the curse of the skin of blackness
00:34:44 Modesty lessons
00:36:04 Members in her High School group have mostly left the church
00:42:12 Hank Smith was her Seminary teacher
00:47:38 She started modeling in high school
00:59:24 Deciding to serve a mission
01:03:40 Going to the temple for the first time
01:14:03 The church branded her internal voice as Satan
01:17:39 What was the MTC like?
01:30:04 Her mission experience
01:52:42 Quentin L. Cook spoke in her mission
01:58:02 Her twin sister stopped attending church while Michelle was on her mission
02:02:38 She watched a TV show before her mission and confessed to her mission president
02:07:54 LGBTQ+ rights and experiences
02:12:00 Returning home from her mission
02:16:19 Speaking in Mandarin
02:21:38 Finally learning about female anatomy
02:30:30 Protests at BYU
02:40:33 Dr. Julie Hanks and how she helped her
02:46:13 Giving a talk about affirmations and people loved it
02:48:25 Being diagnosed with ADHD
02:53:39 Becoming a temple worker
02:58:04 Garments
03:16:34 Working as a Temple Worker
03:38:29 Women missing arm not allowed to perform ordinances
03:52:43 Wearing garments makes you feel you are robbed of childhood
03:55:15 I don’t need eternity. It’s always the villain seeking eternal life
04:05:55 Her mom should feel proud for how her kids turned out
04:07:40 Saying no to a calling, telling bishop she doesn’t believe any more
04:13:06 Body image issues disappear when perfectionism disappears
04:20:40 Is she worried about this interview at all?
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@Kurt843
@Kurt843 - 27.10.2024 22:21

Maternal is the same as identical twins

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@ThatOddChickenHippie
@ThatOddChickenHippie - 27.10.2024 21:55

I'm a Never-Mormon, and my mom is an Ex-Mormon. While we don't welcome the missionaries that come trying to get mom to come back to church, but we do welcome her Relief Society/Traveling teachers because they are respectful of how our family is. We just have nice conversations and they bring mom something for every month (bread, candy, hand towels, ect) and mom has started putting little things together for them as well. As long as they are nice and respectful, I have no issues with Mormons, and the judgmental one can go suck rocks in Outer Darkness.

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@rebekahjohnson1253
@rebekahjohnson1253 - 27.10.2024 17:45

Michelle, you are so smart, beautiful and articulate. I’m so sorry you were body shamed as a model. That’s so sick and wrong! 5’10” and 120 is not healthy at all! I wish you all the best in your future! The world needs women like you.

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@polkadotsandpumpkins4328
@polkadotsandpumpkins4328 - 24.10.2024 02:06

So much of this episode resonated with me but the part where she talked about body acceptance after leaving the church hit me HARD because I too had the same experience. I had an eating disorder as a member. After leaving the church I just…exist in my body. I’m not trying to change it or demean it. It’s my home and I love it and accept it. There is definitely something there with manipulating and changing bodies as a woman in the church. One example of many is how the church has said to women on missions something like “If you’ve put on one pound, take it off!” And then there’s Elder Ballard who said to “Don’t wander around looking like men. Put on a little lipstick.” Appealing to men is a teaching in the church and it’s very demeaning, objectifying and diminishes a lot of girls and women’s self esteem. It’s one of many reasons I think the church is not a healthy place for women.

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@sohu86x
@sohu86x - 22.10.2024 17:43

Congratulations to this woman for finally grasping the most important thing - what we have, experience, share here and now. Because when we are dead, we are gone forever. We will never have life again.

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@babywantsrevenge
@babywantsrevenge - 21.10.2024 19:04

michelle was so relatable. i’m also an artist with adhd, i left the church much earlier but i was one of those kids who was not mormon enough for some kids and too mormon for others. i noticed what she said about liking the mission rules bc they made sense and struggling with authority. that was really relatable too. rules can be helpful, but we shouldn’t be blindly following rules that don’t make sense to us in my opinion

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@fletcherthenerd
@fletcherthenerd - 18.10.2024 04:02

Also, Brother Sweat was my seminary teacher and I took a class from him at BYU too. I remember him talking about the BoM translation process and Smith's treasure digging and somehow being like "Huh. Never heard of that before. Ok :)" because it was from his mouth.

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@fletcherthenerd
@fletcherthenerd - 18.10.2024 02:41

Thank you so much for interviewing a zilennial. My story mirrors hers in so many ways.

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@tristenloveridge7253
@tristenloveridge7253 - 16.10.2024 01:13

My mascot in HS was the red devil too! We also had the subject to potential change the mascot every so many years.

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@kindseyhansen94
@kindseyhansen94 - 15.10.2024 01:20

This is definitely one of my favorites! What a healthy example of deconstructing your faith. I love what she said about doing what is going to serve yourself and her thoughts on living based on fear. I would love to see her more! ❤❤

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@tinyhomestead6023
@tinyhomestead6023 - 14.10.2024 05:34

Yes! We pretend we know more than we do! Love it!

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@Teajay21
@Teajay21 - 14.10.2024 05:01

This is irrelevant and probably a little shallow but I am feeling very gay today and Michelle is so pretty ❤

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@tinyhomestead6023
@tinyhomestead6023 - 14.10.2024 04:40

Good message John! Religion is failing if it separates families. I will continue to remind myself of this truth.

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@tinyhomestead6023
@tinyhomestead6023 - 13.10.2024 04:21

I enjoy your shows. I’m from a high demand Christian church. The type that does not permit musical instruments and females are forbidden from speaking in Church. Most of the families that grew up in church stick with it and of course, they believe they are the only church that is saved. I definitely learned a ton of scriptures and I read the Bible from start to finish every year for 8 years. The church avoids very much discussion of the Old Testament.

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@TrinaEB
@TrinaEB - 13.10.2024 03:04

Thank you for such a brilliant authentic interview, so validating and hopeful x

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@hannamiller8749
@hannamiller8749 - 12.10.2024 20:26

Choosing sativa as your kids middle name is wild

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@andreadiamond7115
@andreadiamond7115 - 12.10.2024 13:25

Commenting to help.

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@Castle1nth3sky
@Castle1nth3sky - 12.10.2024 02:46

We can turn to the Savior for the strength and healing that will enable us to do all that we were sent here to do (By Susan H. Portor)

Temples are literally houses of the Lord. They are holy places of worship where individuals make sacred covenants with God. Because making covenants with God is such a solemn responsibility, individuals cannot ennter the temple to receive their endowment or be sealed in marriage for eternity until they have fully prepared themselves and been members of the church for at least a year. Throughout history, the Lord has commanded His people to build temples. The church is working to build temples all over the world to make temple blessings more available for a greater number of Heavenly Father's children.

Temples are places of learning. Their principal purpose is to provide ordinances necessary for the children of God to enable them to return to dwell with Him. Temple ordinances lead to the greatest blessings available through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Everything in the church - the meetings and activities, the missionary efforts, the lessons taught, and the hymns - all lead to the work done in holy temples.

I would like to invite people to pray and ask God the Father in the name of Jesus Christ his Son, to know if the church is true and to know if the Temples a truly a place of God, a Holy House as well as the House of the Lord. It is a place where heaven meets earth and we can not connect to him on a whole different level in these temples. I wish this guy could make a better living then to create rumors of rumors about the church, and I hope he can find away to repent and to change and have God's spirit to be with him.

I know this church is true, and I know that all those seek to find the truth will be able to and that as you read the book of Mormon and the bible you will gain a greater understand of the temple and what we do there, and I say this in the name of Jesus Christ Amen.

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@allreddesign
@allreddesign - 11.10.2024 23:11

I worked in the Temple for 3 years and had a 20-hour TATTOO piece while working there following my reconstructions from a double mastectomy. No one I worked with had a clue, it was very personal and did not show. However, my TBM hubby's response was "what would the Bishop think?" I responded with, "The day I talk to my Bishop about my nipples I will let you know."

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@gladysbatten822
@gladysbatten822 - 11.10.2024 18:13

Enjoyed this, and thank you Michelle! ...from a very deconstructed evangelical...but just gotta say...I really want eternal life. I am 64 and really living my life to the full, but even 100 good years is not enough. I am terrified of the cessation of my consciousness. I imagine poor health, pain, etc could mute this desire but as long as I feel this good, how could I possibly want to cease...I always WANT a new morning!

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@alcontashi
@alcontashi - 11.10.2024 09:09

FYI I've been a Mormon stories subscriber for 2-3 years but haven't watched for a couple months due to getting busy with life but I came across the short to this video with Michelle's journal entry about the temple and just had to watch while mopping my house 😊. Loved hearing her story ❤.

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@dianehutchens9669
@dianehutchens9669 - 11.10.2024 08:52

My daughter was diagnosed with ADD at the beginning of her Sophomore year in college. Her symptoms and copeing skills are the same.

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@jlarchigirl
@jlarchigirl - 10.10.2024 19:36

I connected to this episode so incredibly much. Many of the same feelings going through it in a similar timeline. I wasnt a temple worker but I was a temple architect. Michelle thank you for being brave enough to do this.

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@TheRyelandfamily
@TheRyelandfamily - 10.10.2024 13:45

This is a crazy amazing story! I love you’ve found yourself open minded! Watching this channel and Cults to consciousness. I’ve learned and strengthened my faith. I refuse to be connected to a church or religion. I’m a follower of Jesus. Keep exploring, but check out the New Testament of the Bible. Listen to what Jesus says and did❤. Do not listen to what a religion or church tells you to believe

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@blittlefield3864
@blittlefield3864 - 10.10.2024 08:44

Where did Freemasonry come from? God’s covenants preceded Freemasonry. It’s interesting that people don’t dig deeper into freemasonry, they just make the assumption the Joseph Smith copied it. Study ancient ritual and clothing from Old Testament. The temple isn’t “weird and culty”. It’s ancient and ceremonial… something our modern minds can’t grasp. These podcasts are misleading, and speak in absolutes, when there is so much more depth to the temple than podcasts like these will admit.

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@rachaelkilgore50
@rachaelkilgore50 - 10.10.2024 05:33

I loved the interview so much!!

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@kelseyj4018
@kelseyj4018 - 10.10.2024 01:56

❤❤❤

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@mintyfreshest
@mintyfreshest - 09.10.2024 23:12

When michelle was trying to think of a mormon stories episode that stuck out to her, my mind immediately went to Liz Lambson! That was an awesome episode!

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@piper5527
@piper5527 - 09.10.2024 22:01

Loved this interview 🙌 ❤

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@nomollyshere
@nomollyshere - 09.10.2024 21:31

Just FYI: I bought SEVERAL of my friends basic sex books in the early 2000s, along with condoms, before they got married😂 I’m still single btw and now an exmo but I had zero shame. Props to Michelle for being so cool!

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@raeyourfriend1829
@raeyourfriend1829 - 09.10.2024 08:47

This is the first video I’ve been able to watch thoroughly, and I absolutely loved it. As a deaf person, it’s often hard for me to sit and watch entire videos because I can’t just listen while doing other things—I rely entirely on my eyes. But this was so relatable and worth every moment. Thank you, Michelle! Hearing someone close to my age, who has felt many of the same things I’ve felt throughout my years in the church, means so much to me. I really appreciate your perspective

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@avantgauche
@avantgauche - 09.10.2024 00:33

really lovely interview i wish Michelle and her loved ones peace and happiness

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@elainechester4756
@elainechester4756 - 09.10.2024 00:07

Loved this episode! Very validating for me also. 😊

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@raisingthebarclays
@raisingthebarclays - 08.10.2024 21:38

Michelle is so well spoken and has so much insight. I love when Margie joins the podcast. Both John and Margie give non-judgmental vibes and this feeling of, "supportive parents," while listening and discussing with their guests. As always- great episode 🙂

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@stinkspirit585
@stinkspirit585 - 08.10.2024 20:29

It has been 40 years since I reached my crisis point and subsequently walked away, but I am STILL trying to figure what to do.....!

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@heathersmith1042
@heathersmith1042 - 08.10.2024 20:25

Rhett and Link's stories really felt so relatable to my deconstruction story!

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@WitchOracle
@WitchOracle - 08.10.2024 18:12

This was a great interview! Thank you, Michelle, for sharing your story with us

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@m_s578
@m_s578 - 08.10.2024 18:06

Thank you for such an amazing interview, Michelle! I related to you on so many aspects of your life, and it’s empowering to hear your experiences and how kind you are not only to everyone around you but to yourself. I’d hope that most people, in the church or not, would strive to be as kind and generous.

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@Mia_Louiise
@Mia_Louiise - 08.10.2024 12:54

Michelle needs to read Awaking the Buddha Within.

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@maddiemalacopa
@maddiemalacopa - 08.10.2024 11:02

I loved hearing Michelle's story. Thanks for sharing. She's so wise and brave to share. She's so charming and lovely I hope she can find friends outside the church- i bet tons of women outside of it would love to be a community with her.

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@Mia_Louiise
@Mia_Louiise - 08.10.2024 10:37

I’m not Mormon & from Australia, why is it that Utah fascinates me as a traveller. I’ve never been there.

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@BellaDigital-p7e
@BellaDigital-p7e - 08.10.2024 09:16

This is a great interview.

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@robertb6889
@robertb6889 - 08.10.2024 05:55

I did the same thing about the temple - I will go to get used to it if I go, so I was a temple worker as a YSA. Just made it banal and still just as culty.

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@ashleymcmahon2547
@ashleymcmahon2547 - 08.10.2024 05:28

Great interview!!!

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@alexavandongen847
@alexavandongen847 - 08.10.2024 04:57

I see SOOO much of myself and my story in Michelle! This is so validating, and even helped me process a lot about my high school years & mission I haven't thought about in a while! Thank you for this!! I also SOOOO resonate with the love and adoption of several Buddhist principles since leaving. 🫶🫶

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@jennicablack
@jennicablack - 08.10.2024 03:52

My husband and i had been trying for years to have a baby and were doing everything "righteous". We found a camera that my husbands mormon best friend put in our sons bathroom. After that we found out him and his wife had randomly gotten pregnant after having to do ivf to get all their children. I thought jeez I have been begging God for years for a baby and ive been doing everything im "supposed" to and yet instead this loser and his terrible and mean wife get a blessing not us. That was the straw that broke the camels back for me. I could no longer believe that doing all these good things (keeping covenants) will get you blessings.

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@robertb6889
@robertb6889 - 08.10.2024 02:54

As a guy in his mid-30’s I identify with so much of this, though I was a total conservative bastard as a teen prior to my mission. My mission really is what changed my political identity, especially when 2016 dropped and the racism started dialing up.

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