The End of the Priesthood and Temple Ban Came with a Catch | Ep. 1958

Can't quite articulate why,
but the airing DATE of this
podcast brings a sardonic
curl of the lip and a lurching weight of heart
that are,
together,
momentously Shakespearean.

So excited! This has been one of my favorites. I really appreciate looking at it from all sides, the good, the bad, and the ugly, and recognizing the humanity. This is the kind of ex mormonism I love. Thank you, Matt, for the breath of fresh air when there is so much (rightfully so) negativity surrounding the church. I was sad to learn about the context in which the song I Believe In Christ was written, but it is what it is.
This whole series gives me hope that the same things can happen for the LGTBQ community someday. I wish it would be done sooner than it will be.

Mormon Stories is like a new cult. Mormon stories rightfully rejects the lies of Joseph Smith, but then leads people into secular humanism and Godless-ness. Not sure which is more evil.

Wow, listening live without being able to speed it up is so weird for me right now! 😅

Inter faith marriages were considered sinful ( catholic church big issue). SAD

Just like today- talking about immigrants polluting bloodlines. We’ll never change!

i really appreciate the historian perspective matt brings. though to push back slightly about something he said. i think historians help with the “what”—what happened and what was the historical context. the “why” question is a faith question. why are these men of their time when they are supposedly prophets? the “what” helps us think through the “why”

It’s painfully tragic to acknowledge that after white slaveholders had been impregnating enslaved women for centuries, white folks then became hypocritically concerned about interracial marriage.

I love this episode thank you for open our eyes about the church

When I got engaged to my Mexican husband, my mom said to me, “You know what your kids last name will be, don’t you?”

My family of origin have never treated him respectfully.

You make your choices. I make my choices.

I had a Sunday school teacher who said he had just seen how God was going to make black people white, because he had just seen a black man with an injury a deep cut and the skin below the outer skin was white. How racist can you get? God is going to skin those of color and they’ll be white? WRONG

How is your relationship summer rain with your husband? Hope that’s OK to ask.

How is your relationship summer rain with your husband? Hope that’s OK to ask.

Thank you for bringing these things to light.

I just read a line by a Mary Ann Leonard and as much as I respect her points of view, having left the church after 50 plus years. I can tell her, THERE is A LIFE outside the church, there is spirituality outside the chuch, there is a JESUS and a GOD (the real ones) outside the church, there is a meaningful life outside the church maybe even more THAN within the church.

That the recommendation to not marry inter-racially is still in the manual offered today…….wouldn’t this be a federal offence? How can a university remain open if they make such statements, in 2024?

In the US two of you are white, one is black and one is latino. In the rest of the world you all would be considered white people. Amazing!

It was in the previous Aarronic Priesthood manual. “We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally,
and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background”

I was never told about this growing up in the church either. It's a surprise to me now as a 48 year old woman with children in an interracial marriage. It makes so much sense to me now why we were treated the way we were. I'm with Summer. It's painful to find out and to know that some in my community and family were probably looking down on me for so many reasons. Ugh.

Why isn't Elder Gong excommunicated from the Mormon Cult Corporation? He is married to a white woman!

I responded over an hour ago to the accusatory comment about MSP - a new cult - leading people into the far-fetched realms of EVEN MORE FAR-FETCHED realms of ...?
And it is nowhere to be found. So, I will try again:
MSP is doing nothing of the kind.
mormonism IS DRIVING PEOPLE, at long last and with cumulative effect, in every direction on earth.
Talk about DIASPORA!

But the protracted confusion of a constantly putative dogma, founding text that seems to crawl on its own when the books are shut and the "church" DISAVOWING its NAME that is based upon THAT TEXT while fully following IT and calling itself "Christian" while NOT TRULY ACCEPTING EVEN THE jst copy/version of THAT TEXT as the fulcrum of the Gospel and its "doctrine" - this incomplete tangle is by itself DRIVING people out of the capacity for faith or hope in ANYTHING at all.
And this is just the sorry beginning.
COME. ON!

I'll say again: NO ONE HAS HARMED "THE CHURCH" MORE - AND IN THE WAYS THE CHURCH HAS been "harmed" - THAN THE
CHURCH ITSELF.

And this harm has hammered down like flaming hailstones upon the desperate, desolate, outraged prisoners mobbing in search of exit and, possibly, refuge -
SOMEWHERE.
IN SOMETHING.

Because after this experience
IS THERE EVEN A GOD TO BE FOUND? Let alone, to TRUST?.?

And "blame" is a big moldy mat spread wide at the door of ONE PLACE ONLY.
And that isn't at MSP.
Credit
where credit
IS DUE.

Polluted blood?

Where have i heard THIS before? 🙄

Thanks!

On the Family Search homepage- they portray an inter racial family - a lighter black woman, the mothers parents/relatives, and her white husband, their children. I see it every time i log on.

Prophets who claim to speak for Jesus one true church who can’t figure out how the atonement works? Jesus isn’t very good at speaking to his chosen leaders.

I would love to hear if there was a backlash to the lifting of the ban. Was there any significant departure of members?

Ah man, I teared up seeing Summer Rain after listening to just the audio podcast. She glows so hard just in audio it's great to see her beautiful smile now!

Thanks to all you guys, but especially Matt Harris for such dutiful, professional but equally compassionate work in the making of this important book.

Matt deserves all the praise possible!!!

The church’s “he’s speaking as man” bullshit is so aggravating. If they are introduced at the fireside etc with their title they are speaking as that title. PERIOD.

I joined the church when I was 17 because I was dating a girl who was Mormon. Her dad said I either take the missionary lessons or go find a catholic girl to date. I am Mexican American. My intention was to take the missionary lessons to buy some time, then say no thanks, but I liked what I heard and after about 4 lessons decided to be baptized. When our relationship progressed when contemplated getting married but my Bishop told me we shouldn’t because I was Mexican. Her dad was the Bishop🤣 43 years married,6 kids,14 grandkids and still going strong! My in-laws treated me with love and respect in spite of their initial feelings. I was never aware of the racist doctrine and feelings of the members till years later. That’s probably a good thing.

A heaven with Brigham Young is not a heaven I would want to be in.

Oh, shut up. Your silly narrcastic grandstanding for Blacks is silly & disgusting. Your ignorance is sickening too.
And your hate and degradation of poor White is sinfully hypocritical too. :.

Thanks! Love your show. ✌🏽☯️