J. Krishnamurti - Brockwood Park 1976 - The Transformation of Man - 3 - Can I completely change...

"Sir, this is an extraordinarily important thing.' 🙏🙏🙏

Grazie.

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The activity of thinking, speaking, and acting in order to change mankind is itself the activity of preventing authentic change in humankind. Bcz the go-to is this; Change mankind into what? So what group of idiots are going to define what that is and enact all of that pray tell? Mankind must find the natural state of harmony underneath his delusionment by dropping controlling and defining which are both fear. We will only remake the old tired nonsense into something freshly fake. The mountain is. The tree is. The sky simply is. Mankind must also simply be in that same way. And stop all of this nonsense of fear into desire, controlling, defining, and endlessly making and remaking going from one total disaster into another new fresh total disaster. Frankly, sages of heaven and earth are tired of watching this idiocy eon after eon. Time for homo erectus to grow up out of his diapers...😮

I was going through the extreme delema of following an authority which my heart knew was not the truth and then suddenly I happen to see this video

Grazie

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It seems to me that the people who could benefit most from listening to Krishnamurti are the ones who are most stubbornly behind a wall of conditioning that would keep them from listening to him...I suppose as someone who listens to Krishnamurti is to understand what is talked about as well as I can and try to bring that to the world hoping to bring light to those who are still conditioned

Under the notion of the local universe, what I do has a negligible effect on the vast universe around me. Locality implies an objective reality, governed by time and space, made up of a sum of independent objects (fragmentation). But this no longer makes sense. The quantum vision, which merges the physical world (the observed) with the mind (the observer, "I"), speaks of a non-local universe, where everything is intertwined.

The automatic way, surely, to address this is to say that, for example, "if I move my hand, some distant galaxy will be conditioned, instantaneously, by that movement." However, this statement denotes that one is reading nonlocality even from locality. According to the notion of local universe, the observer is independent of the observed, i.e., objective reality is independent of whether or not there is observation of it. The non-local universe is what David Bohm conveyed to us as "implicate order": an undivided, unbounded (borderless, fragmentless) multidimensional space. Thus, the whole universe is fused with the observer, i.e., there is no observer-observed differentiation. The apparent multiplicity of defined, separate forms is the "explained order": when there is observation, something concrete is observed, otherwise there is nothing defined. This order coexists with the implied order: of course, something is observed, but it is, in some way, complementary to the observer, they are not independent elements. Therefore, there is no objective, shared or universal reality, as classical physics.

A belief was given by my ancestors to help me, but thats the very thing that traps me, the illusion looks like the thing.

Humanity has always allowed itself to be deceived and misled , because we have chosen leaders who incarnate our own conflicts, our greed etc, as long as we dont résolve what is within us, we will still have wars, Nobody else can understand the essentials in your place, unless you dont see it for yourself nothing changes, we can replace new wine in à new glass but the content is still contains alcohol , we become idéal addicts, for which we commit suicide or kill. Intially we drink out pleasure, or to occupy oneself, then, to find more pleasure, or as escapism , and to think it might temporarily take me away from my problèms, suddently, we learn that thé addiction has come to such a point that we face our own destruction, the diagnostic says " at this point change or die . Thats how it is. Drunk by our' me's,' built through centuries of what we are told as truth ... we keep the continuity of all of it. To drop it is like losing your roots, but dropping it is liberation, all ending of war, starting from you.

It's 2023.. and K's impassioned plea.. "I don't need you!" and.. "..tell him..!" has me in laughing out loud! My mum used to say.. "He who sees it.. knows it.." which means he who cant see the truth of the matter, simply does not have the capacity to know it in that moment.. poor Dr S... his impassioned statements makes me smile though.. across the mists of time!

Shainberg is fighting for his life🤣🤣🤣

It is amazing that Shainberg with his lack of depth was actually a therapist. He is like a kid in school who is clueless but wants to be right to please his teacher so he tosses out buzz words as if he’s adding to the conversation. It’s annoying to listen to him. I have watched this series ten times over the years and find him to be an unnecessary distraction.

This was actually very intense and entertaining.

The shorts format or taking snippets out does very little justice to what JD tried to achieve.

When watching the complete session, think of yourself as the fourth person sitting there. From time to time analyze what and why other is saying, as you would do when sitting in a group of friends. 

JD is one of the very few sources who may be called a Gyan yoga practitioner.

I dont agree with Jiddu that the world is a horror and a miserable place. I question him, how does he know? The quality of "horror" and "miserable" lets examine it. How can you be conscious of it? Unless there is "delight" and "contentment". THAT is the only way you know of it. In this world of mortality it exists both sides of the same thing. So to dismiss this world as "bad" is impossible unless you know what is "good".

There is a high frequency noise in this video around 10kHz which makes it uncomfortable to watch. It'd be great if the audio could be filtered. Thanks!

A neurotic person hasn't have the disposition to investigate itself, because the mind-ego is so fragmented, it is in a turmoil state.
It is very difficult to calm down the mind to look or observe itself.
To slow down the chattering, must practice some meditation to reguide the mind.

The problem of the Mind is that it is addicted to having experiences. So it is always fragmenting itself for entertainment.

i look within, i see thought, and see words, words that try to describe some energy, energy that rapresents some event of life , life that is a moment that i cant grasp...i cant explain trought my intelect becouse for it is a paradox.
So by doing an introspection, thoughts are not aware of themselve, it's like they nead to attach to human consciousness to be refine and seen. Like a flower that is seen in her beauty and perfume.

Why? Lack of love and egoic way of being, that's why.
We are corrupt in our being and lack in introspection, accepting and refine our corruption.
Fear of each other.
Lack of inner observation.

WHY?! Are we all crazy?

Shainberg held his own with those two gang members ganging up on him... and basically telling that psychiatrist that he just didn't get it. He'd say something and they would reflexively say "no, that's wrong.". LOl. ❤️

I still remember the moment I found these conversations, I watched all eight hours in one day. I was completely captivated by krishnamurti, still am. It’s a journey that the individual must want to go through to understand this. It was like when Andy Dufresne crawled through the pipes and found freedom in the movie Shawshank Redemption. I hope one day humanity changes, hopefully before we enslave ourselves forever.

We are a sick 🤒 society today ❤️‍🩹🙏🏻

Can the thinker be aware that he is thinking? It can. At that very moment thought stops. Thank you Krishnamurti ji.

The "me" is itself an idea, a thought, accompanying other thoughts.
The knower is itself a "known" — a known thing.

It's all just made of thought.

The knower, the me, is not different. The idea that it is different, special and apart from thoughts, it itself an idea, a thought.

So, I am neurotic, I leave you neurotic people right away!

Free people😎🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈🎈

Love this one..K laughed a lot in this video and got shocked as well 😂😂appreciate this video so much❤️❤️

Way to leave us on a cliffhanger!! Lol 😂

After this dr shainberg carreer was destroyed

Extraordinary conversation

Shainberg is just making a fool of himself. He should listen more like Dr. Bohm then he might understand.

I like how jk laugh like a child

thanks to dr Shainberg (i had, no I,) there was mi first insight, because dr Shainberg represent us!!

OMG!!!

Wow.

Dr. Shanbergs understanding ..regarding the word is not the thing but at the same time " word is seeing the movement of another word" towards the end of the video was great