Red Pill Vegan is a Fake Vegan!?

Excellent video! thanks man! The diet is one of the strongest attachments the ego makes. reminds me of what arnold says in the game changers, and people fu#%ing off. That's partially why people get so heated and people get so angry ect pushing their own ideals of whats right and wrong, because their egos get so strongly attached to it, and especially in early stages of transition they are unaware and it just manifests in crazy ways. plus in the case of vegans alot go through pain, or social rejection because of their choices, which makes them even more passionate about their positions, so this comes out when the share their opinions/ painful experiences on others. which is sad but yeah. hopefully more people start to see things the way u do, and focus on enriching others and trying to help people in positive ways. Hope ur channel somehow blows up and u can reach more people cause ur truly doing something great here. Thanks for not giving a Fu#%, and speaking ur mind.

It's tough to wear a label like "vegan" because, like you said, there's often only one "right" answer to very complicated questions that deserve more thought and discussion. I think you should definitely talk more about this, you're well spoken and it's an important topic.

Omnivores have Group think too though. That’s why we get asked the same damn questions over and over lol.

I typically dont support any form of traditionalism, whether in action or thought, but I agree with most everything here.

Hunting is a unnecessary and cruel practice, especially depending upon the method, but I have slightly more respect for a hunter, especially in the manner you described, than their packaged meat consumer counterpart.

That's simply personal opinion though and in every manner of perspective otherwise, I cant find any means of justifying how a citizen of a predominantly or entirely modernized nation could subscribe to this way of living other than willful ignorance.

I think as vegans, like all other groups trying to permeate our ideals and way of living amongst the masses, dealing with these incredibly niche topics is vitally important, not just for consensus amongst the community to strength what we believe and practice as a whole, but as a means of shifting the bias optics under which we're usually portrayed.

I think respecting people for their choices is vital to this, but analyzing then conveying the rationale for which these choices are made should constantly be challenged.

Good on you RPV for setting your own boundaries & standards that is being real not fake. Nothing to be gained from shaming hunters but their negativity. Dude those cloves I made pumpkin pie spice with are giving me one heck of a buzz what the hell haha

Just a reminder that the choice to not harm animals, like the choice to hunt, also often involves a deep emotional connection and reverence for nature.

To push the envelope, I think harming animals owes its spiritual and relatively more respectable aspects to our instinct to not harm animals. This instinct resonates with us from a very young age. Thus going vegan is more primal than hunting.

Thought provoking vid man. Good stuff 😎

I sense a future ex-vegan. Congrats in advance.

Great Video mate.
I think you've got somewhat of a point there with hunting animals. It's still murder but at least you have to deal with some of the consequences (trauma, blood, etc.) which a supermarket consumer doesn't even think about normally.
I'd like to add another controversial topic which would be insects for human consumption. As long as humans want to consume animal protein and there's no humane clean meat then we should produce more insects like crickets and mealworms to substitute beef, pork and chicken. If I somehow had the urge to consume animal products again it would certainly be insects first (not beef and bacon like RawLiesment).

This is a nice topic to discuss

You are brave. There are many ways to take this issue and I hope to see more than one.

Religiously, people have taken things too literally. When ancient symbolism would refer to animal sacrifice, it was about killing the animal in yourself. About killing your own beast nature, and transcending it, to be a more spiritual being. As for different opinions, I have some different opinions about bees and honey. I don't buy or consume honey, but if people want to keep bees, and maybe take a tiny bit of honey in the season when they don't need it, just taking a little excess, I don't see any problem with that. We need bees. They are so important. So if people do keep bees as a service to bees and the planet and humanity, and they take a little excess honey that won't harm the bees in any way, I don't see an issue with it. As for hunting I see a serious issue with it. Animals sometimes run away with a bullet or arrow in them and they suffer and die in pain. Not only that if everyone were to hunt then all of the animals would be wiped out in a few days/weeks/months. It's still cruel and unnecessary to kill animals by hunting.

It seems to me like you respect hunters more because they don't turn away from reality (I suppose you could say they took the red pill haha) and would rather kill an animal with their own hands than pay an industry to hide the entire process away from them. In fact, I've found hunters to be the most easy people to talk to during outreach because they don't seem to be living in denial.

If you recognise that it's still immortal then you have no disagreements from me brother 👊

That said, hunting with a bow and arrow is going to be the most agonising for the animal and thus would be the most immoral way of killing them. Whether that would change your respect for bow and arrow hunters I don't know.

Soft juices should also be served with

I see people as people weather their vegan or not.
Some vegans like frying their food in oil.
Some just avoid meat and like to have eggs or cheese or milk or butter.
If a person claims to be a vegan and does any of the above,that's up to them.
But there's one thing I was told many years and its goes,"you are what you eat."

I used to hunt. Lol, still have a buck skull archery tattoo that I'm trying to figure out how to update to a more vegan theme. 😂 I also work in conservation and am married to a hunter. Surprisingly in my workplace which you'd think are big time meat eaters, many of them are mainly plant based. They eat what they catch or kill themselves. I'm not for hunting by any means... I've reached a place in MY LIFE that I don't want to harm anything of I can help it. But these people that I speak of are doing far more than the majority of the population. I think we need to focus our attention to those that just don't give a shit... Not those that are trying to change even if it is not as far as we'd like.

100% agree with you. I’ll never hunt again and I will never say it’s an ethical choice. But it’s not the biggest issue. People still asking about protein.

Fake Vegan. Unsubscribed. Cancelled....Neeexxxxt! Hahaha jk. All I heard was a slight difference in opinion to mine. There is definitely a group think aspect to the community for sure, it's sad really that even people who are on the same side will just get into a rage war and go out of their way to shame people. I think we are all growing, the community is growing and as a result, more minds means there will be a difference of opinion on various "gray" areas of veganism. There might have been a time where I thought like you do on hunting, as in having a greater respect for them, like most people couldn't or wouldn't kill an animal without being forced to/be psychologically affected by the experience. So in the sense of someone wanting to take on the responsibility that comes with eating an animal I can agree to some extent, I just don't think that it's an ethical decision when most people who might hunt in America don't have to hunt for survival. It just defaults to is it necessary to take that animals life? No, then you shouldn't. I guess now I'm just no longer looking at the humans perspective for most situations, it doesn't matter to the animal, all they know is that something isn't right/danger is near. They're just surviving and if we don't need to hunt to survive then we shouldn't hunt or say that it's okay to hunt for non vegans in the same situation that the vegan is in. Is hunting our biggest issue? No, but it's still not something to give a pass for. I get upset with friends on FB posting pics of the deer they killed this year, smiling with the dead deer...You know? Anyways, I actually liked your what I eat in a day "realistic" video. I feel like what I eat in a day should really be. "what I ate today" Hahaha

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a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Taking the life of a sentient being who does not wish to die should not be something we admire! Knowingly contributing to animal suffering and death is immoral regardless if your a fuckboy hunter or a fat fuck in line waitin for a 3 piece theyre both unnecessary!

How many hunters are expert marksmen and don't have to track their horribly wounded prey for hours before they finally kill the animal, leaving it's orphaned infants to die a slow death?

Wow you are SUCH a BREATH OF FRESH AIR! I really appreciated what you had to say in this video and your empathy...this rigid and narrow way of thinking in the vegan community is it's downfall. Most of the vegans today weren't born vegan, and I hate that when people change, now they have distanced themselves so much from how they formerly were that they have no grace or understanding to people who have not made that decision. I agree with your perspective on hunting, I actually don't understand why what you're saying about that is controversial. I really don't like monolith or group think. I have spoken with hunters and what I think is fascinating is that, the respect they have for the environment and animals, is very different than people who eat meat from the grocery store, who seem to not even be conscience of what they're doing There is sometimes a lot of cognitive dissonance. Hunters are very aware of what they're doing. I don't want to hunt, or eat any kind of meat. But I can at least respect the person who will, at least let the animals live their lives free from captivity, and do the killing themselves. So as a fellow vegan, I agree and really appreciate this video.

Hunting is a prime example of Crop Death debunk.... You're trying to be as quiet as possible to not disturb the animal.... but a combine coming down the field making more noise than Donald Trump talking about his Election Win and the animals are gonna sit there and allow themselves to be shredded?? Really? hhahahahahahah! Can't have your cake and eat it too.. LOL

Hunting and fishing are a complete waist of time and resources. While hunting and fishing may be a fun pastime for some, it is far easier and less time consuming to pick fruit from a tree. That extra time could be better spent with our family and friends or working toward a better existence.

Spot on bro...

Forcing other people to traumatize themselves by buying animal products does more harm than hunting for sure..there’s always a spectrum, it’s never b&w

I do not get it how can you be supporting people who use bow and arrow to hunt animals you are a hypocrite.

I agree, hunters own it. they know exactly how gruesome it is to kill animals. I grew up hunting too. but to be honest, the point of hunting is the thrill of shooting something that moves.the thrill of the kill. its like a game right. its borderline psychopathic. your like this big alpha male when you bring this big elk home. the thing is a lot or most hunters are nature and animal lovers, it wouldent take much for them to trade the gun for a camera.

Sometimes hunting helps with conservation efforts

There is a moral landscape when it comes to meat-eating and hunting is the lesser of the many evils of carnism. You could argue in a very very specific circumstance that it's like euthanasia, giving an old deer a quick death rather than them dying of starvation, injury, disease or natural predation by fang and claw. But that's carnism, we'd never shoot an old pet dog and eat their corpse, on the contrary as a sign of "spirituality" and "ritual" we treat their bodies with respect - unlike the deer. Hunting is basically an appeal to nature, deers being ripped apart by wolves or being shot dead is awful.


I do agree with you about group think though. I haven't seen compelling evidence that bivalves are sentient, bivalves have no brain. Yet Vegans argue bivalves have nerve ganglia, and in the next sentence will say plants don't feel pain because they have no brain. Bivalves and Plants both have the capacity to sense stimuli but there is little evidence that they feel stimuli.

Killing is spiritual and its a riutual. WTF r u smoking man? Female and male genital mutliation is a ritual and spiritual too. Hunting is not the problem we face??? You have respect for bow hunters??? Jesus fckn Christ man, ARE YOU VEGAN? Really, u have lost the plot completely in this video. :(

Refine ur thinkinG? U certainly do need to.

NIKAL LAUDE PEHLI FURSAT MEH NIKAL, NAHI ZARUKAT HAI TERI IS DUNIYA MEH

KAHATHA CHICKEN YA VEGAN, TERI GAAN HAI SUNARI

OH PETER BOSIDIKA OH PETER BOSIDKA OH PETER BOSIDIKA

A true Vegan would check Ingredients b4 promoting a product so that’s what they get

Im a Vegan police if you don’t like it too freakn bad

Too many specicist in the comments 🙄
Too many agreeing with the killing of the innocent deers for conservation purposes and they make excuses saying they destroy crops true they eat all the other animals food maybe they mess up the soil maybe. BUT humans are messing up the WHOLE world with how they live t their life and with plastic polluting fracking oil spills destroying all the forest abusing animals and the list goes on AND there IS an overpopulation of them that because of their senseless behavior and doings in this world is causing global warning/climate change
There are just too many of those senseless uncaring humans so let’s kill them to preserve our world conservation effort

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Humans are killing our ENTIRE planet and there are too many of those senseless humans so let’s kill them to preserve our world conservation effort

A "90%" vegan or almost 100% vegan doesn't exist. You're either vegan or you're not. Eating eggs would go against your beliefs as a vegan hence the 'uproar'

Dude I agree with you so much, I find myself not getting along with most vegans because they fall way too into the ridiculous leftist propaganda, if you're right wing or just not even a leftist they'll hate on you.

Its the damn vegetable isles in the supermarket destroying Americans causing all the cancer and diabetes!!

Thank you for your honestly and I respect your opinion !! I’m vegan for 23 years and being 52 years !! I’m not going to call you fake vegan !! No no it’s not me !! I speak for my self !! ! I respect and I have met very very extreme leftist Veganism !! I met vegans who does ridiculous shame full act that it makes no sense !! Now heading back to you !! I’m going to ask you questions !! And like I said I’m. It going to judge you and I totally respect your opinion !! First you are right we are still living in a meat world !! And Veganism takes time gradually is growing so fast I live in New York City !! And I also have friends who lives in Virginia border of DC !! Is it necessary to hunt with bow and arrow ?? If it’s yes !! Why ?? And is No why ?? I understand your respecting for those who does !! But what abutting the victims ?? It’s all about the animal victims right ?? Veganism as you know is doing the least harm to our planet !! I have friends from Ohio Kentucky and they used to hunt and one day my friend ask them how do you fell hanging a deer on your wall ?? Or do you eat them ?? The hunter said yes but he died at age 50 from heart attack!! Like I said I’m not judging you and I respect your honesty !! But what about the victims ?? Also I live in Queens and every year here in Brooklyn New York I see the same tradition of sacrificing Hasidic Jews chickens for their beliefs !! I don’t agreed and I don’t go to the protest either !! Here as the rest of America we have a peace full demonstration !! Thank you so much for your honestly ! I will still watch your videos !! Veganism comes in different ways !! I know people got in cause oh health others for environment and others for ethics !!

Of course your not a fake Vegan, your just a free thinker with an open mind who respects the cultural food choices of others. All Vegans should be that way, but many are overzealous and consequently, inflexible. This is not constructive to the community. Good points made in your video.

You and Cory McCarthy are my favorite vegans. And yes both of you stand out from the crowd.

people do nee to chill and just talk it out but we love having big names to hate

As a white male, you missed the elephant in the room. Intersectional veganism is cancer.

Yeah. Good stuff. I'm not sure I understand why some folks take the extremely judgemental route.. whether its a reflection of their passion for animal rights.. or of their frustration with the difficulty of their diet (battling their own addiction mixed with being constantly immersed in a world that is unaware, apathetic, and/or even hostile to their vegan perspective).

Perhaps being shocked and shamed is what worked to convince them to change.
Maybe some of them feel a sense of belonging and purpose in doing so - and perhaps are afraid of losing that/being ostracized from the vegan community for not doing so.

I definitely see that approach having a repellant, divisive effect, more than anything else - and when it comes to something as important as saving lives .. be they human (by reversing /preventing chronic illness and through environmental stabilization)... or animal .. I think we need to carefully consider how we present ourselves to others.

Regarding hunting.. personally.. I find it as disturbing as killing a person. And.. I'm aware others have been desensitized to it, and have almost a religious connection to that practice.

Depending on our intention when interacting with such a person, it can be important to understand that, and have it inform our approach.

I don't see where moral judgement about that is practical or relevant, unless sharing that is part of your strategy to persuade a meat eater to abandon their lifestyle.

I'm sure it works for some, but personally I find someone harshly evangelizing to me, calling me a sinner, and threatening me with hellfire extremely repulsive.
And even those it does convert are going to be neurotic, fear-based, repellant converts, who do the movement more harm than good.

🤔 Hmm! Maybe that's where they come from!
Oh well .. the universe is full of mysteries.

Jon Venus 5 months later. .? You gotta call out bullshit, more especially hypocrisy.

So you have respect for some hunters. Cool. That doesn't mean you are a fake vegan. What I'm wanting to see is a video why you are vegan Do you have one? I've only seen a handful of vids of yours, and have only heard you say you are not afraid to be different and that's why you are vegan. Is there a video? If not, could you make one?