Why Star Rail STILL Hasn't Buffed DoT

dot crit enabler

I think it would be interesting to have a DOT sustain that heals whenever a DOT activates but their twist is they have a kit built around action advancing the enemies.
They could also minimize the damage taken due to more enemy actions could be debuffing enemy dmg whenever they apply DOT or something if its too much for the team to take

they should make a way to speed up the activation of dot but not the enemy

Keep in mind that freeze action advances the enemy without making it one that hits you! We could get a dot freezer/spd booster support :O

This may just be the reverse 1999 player in me, but it would be interesting if they had a characrer like Reverse's tuesday.

Long story short, Tuesday with her passive ability can let poison (the games DoT) crit and her ultimate basically sets up a field that you can think of as a bubble where your goal is to fill it up (or stack) as many poison as possible on the enemy. And as long as the bubble is up, poision can still take effect but not tick down its turn counter. And when the bubble bursts, every poison stack is removed and each is activated at the same time.

Now, im not sure because Reverse 1999 and Honkai Star Rail have two wildly different battle systems, but it's a thought.

I think they have plans for dot. Since there was a mechanism in some event , where whenever a dot is applied the enemy action advanced forward and reduce damage dealt by enemy.

Now it’s just break meta imo but follow up is just way more fun to play imo

If they want to buff DoT

Here's my opinion:
- Release dedicated Harmony/Nihility support, ofc this is the most easy & lazy way. Release character that make enemy take more turn, like freeze concept. 

- Sadly, powercreep Kafka. Man im a DoT players. Kafka ofc is the key of the team, but since she is old character, she dont have crazy multiplier or anything like that, in fact her shocked multiplier is lower than Sampo 5 stack. Jiaoqiu & Black Swan, modern DoT, will immediately apply DoT when enemy spawn, which Kafka cant.

All I need is Nihility MC and 5* Sampo

imagine they make a support that grant critrate and crit dmg base on effect hit rate and make dot able to crit

Break and FuA can deal damage in millions without enemies having any chance to act. Meanwhile DoT team needed enemies to take action to deal some measly damage.

i dunno about "one support character is not enough to save DoT". We literally have Sunday, he fixed every problem that Jing yuan had. All you need is good imagination.

Honestly… I haven’t had an issue with DoT. I can complete every content with DoT. Granted I use all 5 stars. Kafka, BS, Jiao, and the last slot pivot depending on needs. Either Robin or Huohuo. Usually have absolutely no problem. But I understand that DoT hasn’t really received a support if you don’t count Jiaoqiu. I am in support of getting a DoT support but I don’t believe DoT right now is terrible.

lowkey crying at the terrible gameplay choices

Imo we just need a Super DoT enabler lol

I've been theorizing a DoT support for a while now, and the unit I came up with was sort of a mix between Silent hunter, Sizzling thunder and acheron's passive, let me explain.

As mentioned on the video, star rail's philosophy tries to create unique and interesting characters, so I thought of a character that is unique and that makes DoT fun to play, this character would be Ice and Nihility of course, and based on the number of nihility characters on the team, they would get a x% buff to DoT dmg as well as a res shred to every enemy on the field when there are 4 nihility characters on the team, this res shred would be counted as DoT, pretty much like Jiaoqiu but with a higher dmg ceiling and lower res shredding, this DoT would be implanted in three ways, inlicting a debuff on the enemy (1 stack), hitting the enemy with skill, basic or ultimate from this character, and by enemies taking turns, this DoT lasts for 2 enemy turns if not refreshed (to try counter hoolay). When frozen, the enemies will have all the DoTs applied to them deal dmg instantly with scaling of 120% their base dmg, of course, that would need a way to freeze the enemies, thats its second passive, whenever a enemy takes action, they have a 5% fixed chance of freezing for every DoT they suffer, max 25%. The last passive is pretty straight forward, whenever there are 4 nihility characters on the team or the talent is active DoTs gain the ability to deal Critical dmg, this dmg has a 30% of the critical rate from this character + 10% chance to critical hit, and a fixed critical dmg of 50% at base eidolon.

Its skill buffs teams attack by 30% if it hits enemies with its own DoT applied and the stacks are above a certain amount, this skill hits 3 targets and applies x stacks of its DoT. When this skill hits an enemy with full stacks of the DoT, an additional attack is done, dealing dmg equal to 30% this skill dmg to all enemies and applying x stacks to every enemy.

its ult refreshes all stacks on the enemies, and smites them with an attack that applies x number of stacks to all enemies based on the number of DoTs applied. If the overall number of stacks on the field exceeds x amount, this ult has a fixed 30% chance of freezing the enemies

Lastly, the eidolons:
the first one makes DoTs ignore X% of the def
the second makes the Talent require 1 less nihility char to activate while also increasing the crit passive multipliers, 50% of this character cirt rate + 20% chance, and the 50% crit dmg gets base instead of fixed, so that it scales with this character crit dmg stat
the fourth regen the energy of all the team by 2% whenever a DoT deals dmg
and the sixth evolves the DoT from this unit and converts it into an ice bleed DoT that deals 1% of the enemies max hp as dmg, while also dealing the original DoT multiplier dmg


this character needs adjustemnts jaja, but the overall idea is crit DoT and more instant DoT triggers while offering a "sustainable" team using freeze mechanic

Hoyo knew people will eventually pull for purple women because they are fanservices characters. Dont care about gameplay

I think we just need a support that can allow DoT to crit. Even if its a fixed crit rate and dmg(Like one of Nahida's constellations in Genshin). I feel like a mechanic like that would really help make DoT more relevant again.

good old time when dot in su make your device lag🤣

I think this game needs something like r1999's euphorea buffs, some characters ( all charactersnof v1) are unusable. That game has tried this and it works pretty well, not only the old units are more usable they actually make you invest in their teams with new characters. This makes the players pull both the new units and the old ones on their reruns

Dot is the physical damage team in Genshin

We need a support character that sets all dots to a base 50% crate and 100% cdmg with talent and either advance enemies with skill/ult and apply a decent enough dot of their own with that you only need a couple of crit rolls on Kafka and black swan to make them crit hard on their dots activation only problem is that the team might still need a dmg boots of some sort

Fellow Dotcheron copers ARISE!!!!!!!!

Haven't seen the video yet but my take is kafka is the problem or, more specifically, her kit. We don't have alternative for her, someone who can activate dots. If you don't have kafka, you can't use them effectively.

I think one thing that would help DoT users a lot is just to give them higher base speed, or more speed stats in their kits. If it’s easier to hit your speed breakpoints, you can apply more DoT before the enemy moves, and focus on being able to build more offensive stats. Additionally, as much as I love Kafka, I think she needs to be replaced with an Erudition unit whose skill and ultimate hit everything, applies DoT, and detonates DoT.

a good DOT support would be a unit that recovers energy by how much DOT is applied on the enemy something along those lines.

Me who has dot as my 2nd team carrying me throughout every mode: huh? ppl think they're not strong anymore?

tbh i don’t think it looks great cause so far none of the leaks have mentioned dot being a potential for any of the characters but only time will tell.

i don’t think a super overturned support would be anything new given how broken harmony has been as a whole. some personal things id enjoy would be toughness damage when dot triggers on enemy turns, a stacking dmg% or vulnerability multiplier depending on the number of dot on the enemy, and a trace or buff that eliminates EHR requirements at all or at least in part for dot units (sort of like pelas trace)

i think something akin to nahida c2 from genshin isn’t outside the realm of possibility as well that would allow dot to crit (but only locked to a specific crit ratio like robins damage). i also think a harmony unit with great personal damage isn’t impossible either considering robin does pretty decent damage herself in her ult and HMC can do formidable damage when their own ult is up.

i think also the problem with dot as an archetype is that in end game modes when the buffs are built around it, it can feel pretty poor for other comps to play into. no one is ever a fan of the dot pure fictions because as an archetype is pretty exclusive to just two characters, and doesn’t rlly exist outside the realm of that.

i also think that kafka herself is an issue as much as she is a blessing for dot comps because being a 1.X dps her damage is weak and multipliers are lower and while she can front load dot which is great utility, her own dps just isn’t rlly cutting it. and therein lies a problem of well front loading dot is so unique to her if they gave it to another unit it would be troublesome, but black swan does so much damage herself what could a new teammate for kafka look like? i think they tied dots identity too much into kafka like HMC with super break, the only way to push the comp forward in any real way is to allow other front load options like her which is the main problem for dot an archetype and without it is considerable worse than traditional dps

I heard there maybe a Harmony character on 3.1 it maybe the one who can buff Dot!! 🤞

alright first way too much yapping at the beginning

second, the problem with dot is how they detonate only once when the enemy attacks 3 times. The dmg is too low they 100% need to crit and need a much better dot sustain. but your points are also valid.

3.X is gonna give us a break/DOT hybrid supercut with a big slant towards the latter (that is viable in break teams and revolutionary in DOT teams) and one moderate upgrade to either Kafka or Swan if I had to guess.
After that I wouldn't be surprised if the unit that gives 1.4 Kafka the knockout blow in her premium team was Kafka herself by way of an expy.

The problem with DOT team is Black Swan is a must in order to tackle the current meta. Without BS right now DOT team is severely power capped. I hate the idea that I must pull BS and Im a stubborn guy.

i will tell the truth you dont want to know:
1. they know they will still sell Black Swan and Kafka REGARDLESS of their gameplay because they are coomerbaits. Hence no DoT buff for DoT teams

They overbuffed followup and everyone that invested into dot are the unfortunate ones

On one hand I'm honestly laughing at all the people who freaked out about Kafka saying she's future proof don't go for anyone else and looked what happened. However on the other hand I do want DoT to be buffed because super break stuff is fun but boring at the same time, having to use the same characters over and over.

But overall still laughing at all the people who said that about Kafka back then, this is why you don't throw all eggs into one basket, swearing up and down a character will last forever. This is a Hoyo game no character is ever gonna stay forever unless they're a support and so in the end no character is ever fomo since new characters always come out and the strategy and teams always change. I told them but no one believed me

DoT first needs good sets. The specific 4pc set was decent in its time, but given all its conditions, it's still a bit worse than the Quantum set, which is the only real set because the 2pc sets don’t have any dedicated DoT set.

FUA and Break are strong archetypes with many characters, and they’ve received much better sets. Improving the damage of the Thunder, Wind, and Fire Break DoTs or giving them additional effects would help.

DoT characters have always had potential as Break characters, but the DoT generated by Breaks that aren’t Physical or Wind with 5 stacks is disappointing.

If their base damage were buffed, they would directly become Break characters.

Then there's the usual—adding stronger characters that specifically help DoT—but we all know how that goes.

DoT is weird because how do you even make it better without breaking the game and how do you slot in a support/sustain if you need 3 units to synergize kafka black swan dot unit support/sustain.

When Fugue was announced i was excited thinking she will be a DoT cuz of her path but now in sad she js for break team 😢

DoT needs a lot of work to make them viable. Kafka being the ONLY character that has any level of payoff for DoTs is insane. A 1.0 character. Doesn't help that most DoT characters don't advance the team but just rehash what already there. Like Black Swan just being an upgraded Sampo. DoT needs two things more than anything. 1, they need a better payoff be that in the form of a character like Kafka that does a lot of damage based on how many DoTs are applied or something that can basically let players use their many DoTs to do damage. 2, they need more characters that interact with DoTs. Healing with DoTs, shield generation, buffs, extra DoT ticks, etc. There needs to be more interaction with DoTs as the foundation of kits. Right now it's a playstyle that feels more patchworked than having an identity. Kind of like how Quantum Teams were. Those only worked thanks to Silver Wolf. DoT only can really work thanks to Kafka.

They could release a DOT character who has memosprite. I mean 2.0 was heavily super break oriented at first and then they released Feixiao.
DOT can make a comeback but I don't expect Kafka to be relevant at this point. Heavily outdated character.

How about a DOT support or healer with a talent that allows detonated dots to reduce enemy toughness or advances allies who afflicted dots on the enemy that stacks depending on the number of enemies so it could work for pure fiction.

Do a C2 nahida. make a support that can make DoTs crit , 50% crit rate, 100% crit dmg, cant be increased or decreased- its set. make them apply a debuf that makes it so when dot hits the debuffed enemy heals the person who placed and set off the DoT , E.g sampo placed the wind sheer so he heals, but kafka detonated it so she also heals.

I dont have kafka, honestly dont want her
But my dot team is basically guin, swan, a support (aventurine/huohuo) and acheron as the main dps, my issue is, my best relics on her are complete shit

To be honest, I feel like part of the reason we haven't gotten more to support DoT teams is because they've been implementing and fleshing out two new archetypes of teams (break and follow-up) that really didn't exist as entire "team archetypes" rather than a couple characters in the way that Jing Yuan and Topaz were summon characters before Rememberance.
Now they're only making one new team archetype... so the odds that they might bring back DoT sooner than later is higher, imo.

edit: Oh yeah, and someone mentioned the idea of DoT crits, but the crit rate is based on EHR. That could be a very good mechanical inclusion in the kit for a future dedicated support for DoT teams.

Just like what HMC did for break and RMC for all hypercarry characters (yes, they're broken if you know what they ACTUALLY do), we need NMC (Nihility MC) or any other support that just makes dots detonate when they're attacked by the same element as the dot. It's exactly what Cube Of Purity in SU Unknowable Domain does, putting a debuff called Monotonous that does what I said above. It'll be better, although Kafka would be powercrept if it happens

I REALLY hope Anaxa is a DoT character. Like holy shit all we got was BS back at the start of Penacony.

Man i love dot teams and still use kafka,black swan,huohuo & ruan mai

just make DoT crit lol.

it`s an easy fix if you look at any game that ever uses dot, make a support that allows dot to crit, every game that has a crit mechanic for dot has made dot feel strong and fun, every game that refused to give crits to dots has left dot completly in the dust, a character that would allow the dots to crit based on the initial applier`s attack but the support`s own crit ratios so u can stack only crit rate and crit damage on the support while continuin to focus on only atk for the dot appliers would fix every issue dot has, i looked at dot mechanics and in almost every game they literally become unusable later on if you don`t let them crit through something.

Only recently I've realised my team is above the average as i have E1 kafka and huohuo and all 4 lightcones.
Normaly i can handle every PF MOC and AS with 3*. Sure it would be easier with a meta team but I'm happy hearing "time to say bye, boom" a thousand times a week.
That being said I plan to get eidolon for them because i like them all