Mysterious Origins of Western Hunter Gatherers - Lost Ice Age Tribe

ANOTHER EXCELLENT VIDEO! This content demonstrates that blue eyes and lighter skin pigment was not inherited from Neanderthals and that Homo sapiens did evolve in Africa. The Zlaty kun oldest Homo sapiens genome you referenced shows even though this female had significant Neanderthal ancestry her skin tone was very dark with brown eyes. Her large percentage of sub-Saharan ancestry suggests a recent African origin and Neanderthal interbreeding within 80 generations.

Interpreting between the different sapient species gives us the many human races. Not evolved recently but acquired through mutation. This done in the way a liger is bigger than both parents.

Sure Jan.

Why assume homo-sapien developed blue eyes in that short span when it is more likely it was an allele gifted from a Neanderthal, which would have been adapting for 350,000 years longer, or more?

The WE WUZ force is strong in this one guys and gals......

Good job on the intro. Love it.

Thank you!

Pity people did not maintain this lifestyle .........no nuclear weapons....no world wars......no human climate change .....no capitalism......no industrialisation......more egalitarian......!

The algorithm the measure skin color they use is off when testing known samples.

my father was Sicilian, had dark olive skin, straight black hair and dark green and marine blue eyes. black hair and dark skin does not mean sub Saharan African

See "Cheddar man debunked" .This is flimsy "science"

They were not as dark as pygmies they were as dark as the average Indian at most. Very poor research on your part.

They can sail people were crossing larger bodies of water than the mediterainian 40 000 years before this migration science is so fukin retarted some times but noooo that wont be a theory till someone finds a 20000 year old boat fukin herper derpers.

Even the lighter skin in archaic humans not a theory till evidence is found but is fuking obviously neccessary to survive in the low light, this is the blind spot of science its reductive.

Sounds like my indian father. Very dark skin and blue green eyes

Yeah, but the story is incomplete what was happening in North Africa at the time there had to be people from the south in the north too .

Haplotype I2

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We are very complex creatures.

ok then , who cares anymore ,
we started in africa , then in russia , then back to africa , then to australia , and guess what ... back to africa
the africans have been building huge walled cities , pyramids , statues ... from the south-west of africa all the way to china and australia too ...
i'll STICK with africans for the rest of my life , thanks ...
i really don't care anymore , next week it's something else ... again ...
and we ALL just fall for it EVERY TIME , while the hypothesis is already on another country ...
who the F cares where we came from , we'll never be a ''social species'' if we keep going like this ,
so who the hell cares were WE MORONS came from ???

ok then , who cares anymore ,
we started in africa , then in russia , then back to africa , then to australia , and guess what ... back to africa
the africans have been building huge walled cities , pyramids , statues ... from the south-west of africa all the way to china and australia too ...
i'll STICK with africans for the rest of my life , thanks ...
i really don't care anymore , next week it's something else ... again ...
and we ALL just fall for it EVERY TIME , while the hypothesis is already on another country ...
who the F cares where we came from , we'll never be a ''social species'' if we keep going like this ,
so who the hell cares were WE MORONS came from ???

My maternal Haplogroup is boring H1.

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The new scientist backed away from the skins claims made in the documentary.

I other words, believe nothing about what you hear, see or read because it will be debunked by somebody down the short road ahead. Apparently, all of these hunter gatherers were eliminated by farmers.

There has never been selection pressure in Europe for black skin. Especially after the ice age.

OMG they didn’t have sun screen 😂😂

All this climate change and no SUVs OMG don’t tell the dems

How about EHG ?

These people have very similar dna to Baltic people today, funnily enough I know a friend from Poland with haplogroup C-V20, he has a simular appearance to them, I myself carry haplogroup I1 and U4 respectively

Underwater archaeology may yet provide important information

If you paid attention the narrator kept saying maybe this and maybe that . This guy doesn’t know his science . Also the dark skinned European model was debunked long ago .

For me the Urantia book History helps me understand the crazy archaeology we find

🤦 the science understanding of the narrator is so poor we are in 2023 he still doesn't understand lattitude IS the genetic selective factor!!
-black skin and blue eyes= impossible
Blue phenotype results of various depigmenting gene this oca2/ herc doesn't produce blue eyes by itself but in association with other melanin supressor genes. Blue yes in highly pigmente people is impossible.
- sexual selection 😂 seriously think archaic male wouldn't mate with women because they don't have blue eyes 😅
- hunting selection in low light environment may play a very tiny role : siberian hg and northAmerican hg thrived without blue eyes
- whg mainly would have light brown eyes to green because of lack of the very high depigmenting gene of european today
So no substantial effect oca2/herc for that matter in whg since their eyes were not blue
-oca2/herc as a melanin supressor gene still lighten skincolor and d vitamin skin synthesis so still betters carriage, immune system and infancy mortality, especially above 45 parralel where the uvb fell drastically from October to march . Cold is a parameter as it applies pressure on the immune system but not as big than lattitude .
Also his theory about north african geneflow is not backed to explain has no basis anywhere

What is the problem with British vcontent creators and archeogenetic Wether they re woke or anti woke they keep spreading fallacies and corrupt science 😢

My paternal line is of Scandinavian hunter lineage. But the Y chromosome split off from the main group 40k years ago in Western Europe. If the Scandinavian hunters are a mix of the Western and Eastern hunters then how can the Western hunters have "arrived" in Europe 20k years ago? My basal Y chromosome existed in Western Europe 20k years before they (my ancestors) "appeared" in Western Europe.

they are an ancient offshoot of europeans who intermixed with asians in Siberia, thousands of years later the genes refined and became their own phenotype but you can see they were race mixed due to their shift towards asians genetically

Far cry primal did an awful job of representing history and it wasn't really much of a survival game like it should be, nor was the player to animal combat in that game very fun.

Someone would make a better game about the western hunter gatherers.

sickeningly bad logic whg were not africans lmao

You keep bringing up skin color & out of Africa. W.H.G. are direct descendants from Cro magnon man. Dating back at least 40,000 years in Europe. Sub saharan Africans have admixture from a ancient unknown archaic. Europeans from Cro magnon man to modern Europeans dont have this admixture. That makes the single orgin theory impossible in the time frame currently known. If Homo Antecessor turns out to be part of European people's lineage. That would put Europeans in Europe for 1.2 million years

The single orgin out of Africa theory doesn't hold up anymore. Europeans came out of Europe. From Cro magnon man to Gravettian q-116 to Solutreans to magdalenians to W.H.G.. Continuity through out. As far as W.H.G. skin color I dont think we know. We do no their was no sub saharan admixture. If I where to take a educated guess on their skin color I would go with a lighter skin color definitely not black. These W.H.G's carried neanderthal gene bnc2 which affects pigmentation they also carried a specific gene allele
(Rs1235o739) which they also inherited from Neanderthals. Its associated with lighter skin as well. W.H.G's then mixed with early European farmers & Western steppe herders(Yamnaya). It's these 3 lineages that make up all modern Europeans living today. As far as I know modern Europeans today that directly descend from the W.H.G group have the longest continuous unbroken lineage of all living humans.

My family always thought they had precolonial ancestry because of their features. But our ancestry has shown little outside the UK and Denmark (and even that outlier is German). My father looked almost exactly like the drawing of WHG one sees on most documentaries about the Mesolithic; and, the WHG displayed on this video could well be a relative of mine.😂 Seems their conundrum has been explained.

My theory for the 'origin' of Villabruna cluster is this: Gravettian groups that went through a severe bottleneck in southern/southeastern Europe, and either gained some near eastern ancestry and/or had reciprical gene flow with near easterners. This would explain how there was less genetic diversity, and how there was some continuity of Gravettian haplogroups like Y I and mt U, but still more near eastern afinity.

I had no idea WHG came from North Africa. I always thought they came from the Caucasus and were light colored skin. So then Cro Magnon came from the Caucasus, WHG from North Africa, and WSH from Ukraine. And you mentioned EHG are related to WHG but are white and have red/blonde hair, how are they related?

Ive always believe that the Cro-magnon humans after the mix of the sapiens and neanderthals, the cro-magnon that became doucens of years later living more in europe inherited most of the neanderthal native heritage than the sapiens because of nature selection with generations will out compete whats more useful in their genes for survival. Later the anatolians and the steppes came after, no matter how ambiguous the hipothesis can be, for me its clear that we have a 100% native european origin and NOT totally fully an african descent. When they try to mention that we have something else they are mostly talking about a mutation thats why theres no difference between a nordic, celtic, slavic, greek, roman, goth, iberian, tartesso, lituanian, Ainu etc.

"Olive" is a very unprecise term to describe a skin tone : Olives are green, reddish purple and black. I have yet to see a green human. So the colours ranged probably were anthracite, umbra, red sienna, ocre, yellow ochre.

I-M223 is me a true whg

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You can't actually determine skin tone by testing alleles via bone samples. It completely disregards epigenetics and is not definitive science. They were definitely more pale than you believe. You all don't understand vitamin D synthesis during pregnancy. The researchers who made claims about Cheddar man have already dismissed the media exaggerations. Skin pigmentation is a positive natural selection trait, not an aspect of genetic drift. Pale skin is advantageous in the north. Even Mongolians, Siberians, Koreans, and Inuit are not very dark. They are fairly pale. The Native American tribes of Oregon and Washington State are also pale, so you are all just making up unfounded claims.