Elm & The Future of Open Source (with Evan Czaplicki)

A collaboration of you and Evan, we are blessed 🎉 I've always wanted to see you interview him

I was very excited for this interview but felt like Evan really didn’t say much of substance and largely avoided the interesting questions . Kris was wonderful as always though

This was great! I'm a big fan of Evan's work and opinions, and you, Kris, are a wonderful interviewer, as always. Thank you both for this!

Evan's analysis of the of the kind of open source culture where Eric Raymond's writings are the final word full stop is fantastic.

Every introduction to your interviews is a piece of art!

Great questions

Elm is basically a failure story at this point. How is it still hailed as an example to be followed?

The prophecy has been fulfilled. When the people most needed him, he returned.

For my part, the Elm ship has mostly sailed. I can't ignore the fact that the bdfl didappeared for multiple years without notice. That's not how trust is built.

this was too short! :P

I learned from Elm not to invest time in a language that only has one person behind it. It’s fine if there is a company, it’s great if it’s a foundation, but if it’s only one dude - no way.

Babe wake up, new Evan Czaplicki interview just dropped!

So the thumbnail is essentially a clickbait?

POLITICALLY MOTIVATED ANALYSIS OF THE OPEN-SOURCE
Evan is actually fighting the machine, quietly, but very firm!

When I witness people in comments call Elm a "failure" because it works real well without using the hypebeast approach, helps me understand why corporations and venture capital chasers have 0 issues raping the web developer community.

No wonder why so many have hate for functional logic "1 + 1 = 2 after so many years is lame AF FRFR bruh ngl!" 🤣

Evan is the man, he has the voice that developers need to hear

Rust is definitely more than a marketing plot. It is in many ways a slimmed down Scala and not burdened — to Kamala it a bit — by too much academics and those heavy JVM ties.

I think both Rust and PureSctipt are today better options for almost all tasks than Elmo.

For an excited few seconds, I thought this was about the TUI SMTP client.

Awesome episode sir.

Great interview Kris, I love your style.

The insights into Eric Raymond's efforts to inject libertarian ideology into software development were spot on.

And we've all seen the results of libertarianism in our societies now that economic inequality and the attendant mass suffering are becoming real.

It's time to inject a different social economic model into our work.

This is an amazing interview. I ❤ what you do thanks so much.

One thing they said for sure - Elm's impact on clear and very helpful error messages. I hope all languages were like that.

One way to avoid the three hard parts to writing a programming language is to stick to doing silly esolangs for fun 😉 (of course the price is that it also avoids a lot of other nice things about regular programming languages)

Unfortunately, I think Elm and whatever his building now are dead projects, specially if it takes him 5 years to deliver anything. And in any case is already a super niche language

Great conversation, and delicately handled considering some of the touchier elements.


Evan is some character.
He's a tale of competing forces—between control and freedom, purity and practicality, innovation and stability—and how one person’s vision navigated (or failed to navigate) them.
Can't wait to launch into this with the lads, four pints deep this evening. Will be interesting to hear what non-coders think.

So strange to hear this, and the features mentioned at ~15min and compare it to the LLM promoters who say that devs won't be writing software at all in 2-5 years. Huge dichotomy is here.

Dart is trash. That's why people don't like it. Just take a look at the JS output of Dart, it's insane. If Dart was good, things could be different. I don't think it's fair to blame its failure on other things other than the fact that it was just bad.

Hope Even can pull it out again, I learned so much from him and Elm.

The conversation was pleasant, but according to me we did not know anything concrete about the future of Elm. All in all, I got the impression that in a very hidden and eloquent way it was conveyed to us that Elm in theory is alive, but in practice - he died.